Those 'Mean' JW's (page 2)

Granny Linda

I was df at age 19. Never was that happy as a JW. To young and detached from life in general to know, much less care what went on behind the scenes. Of course there were things that happened that didn't sit right with me, but back then it was difficult to put into perspective.

LOTS of years later when finding myself in recovery for alcoholism no one could have been more shocked than myself when the religious abuse issues came flooding to the surface. All the phoney bullshit, judgemental attitutes and speech directed towards EVERYONE not a JW/the cliques/the politics...you name it - is not indicitive of a healthy mind, period.

Now I've worked the low self-esteem angle for some time, but the older I get the less that holds any weight for me. At what point and time does the individual think some introspection might be wise? So for those content JW's there is absolutely no reason why they should consider introspection because - we know the mentality of the "right man." JW's are masters at blaming everything and everyone around them...their right- everyone in the world is wrong. What f--king bullshit!

I no longer defend their person as in; "most are nice, just misguided." And as one wrote about other churches - just another reminder of why I hold little respect for Chrisitianity as a whole. Too many hypocrites, period. Is it really any wonder some people dispise JW's...and why should they be excused,eh. I don't even consider them martyer's. They haven't done a damn thing too enhance the quality of life within their given community. OH. They don't get into trouble with the law, blah,blah. Well, hell's bell's, neither have a great majority of humanity that doesn't go through life with some fool idea of how friggen special they are........no love lost on JW's this day. Be it family or not. Hey, even more so as their sickness is publicly exposed. Screw em. Don't like em, don't have to.

Granny

Jesika

Granny Linda,

The popular saying that comes to mind is "I am not crazy everyone else is". Do you think that sums it up?? Even when things SHOULD make sense--to them they don't. *rolling my eyes*

I understand about the alcohol, still struggling with it.

Love,

Jesika

Beck_Melbourne

Musky

I agree there are mean people in any church or denomination...but I have to say that even if some mean acts done by JW are done because they are misguided does not justify it. You don't have to guide a plane through a building in the name of God to be mean...you can still hurt people in the name of your god which, although not as dynamic, still equates to 'meanness'.

Larry:

Remember when parents would brag about kicking their kids out if they did want to serve Jah or if the kid got Dfd and the father didnt want to lose his position in the k-hall and threw the kid out?

I remember it well...I remember going to a worldly friend's house sobbing because I had nowhere to live...and I had no money, job, friends or family support. My crime?? I didn't want to be a JW, nothing more, nothing less...I was only 16 yrs of age....and I was not baptised, nor was I even a publisher.

Damn them!

Beck

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Granny Linda

Beck, what you shared just makes me sick! Damn those people.

I'm so very new to this site and it's difficult sorting through and remembering who experienced what. The legal system holds citizens responsible because ignorance is no excuse, so too, JW's and their ilk have no valid excuse for their current behavior. It's one thing to actively take part in such nonsense, it's quite another when we awaken from the nightmare and change or thinking...we might even have to make amends along the way. So, is ignorance a valid excuse...something I ponder at times.

I was in 7th grade when I walked out of art class stating I was going to kill myself. Looking back those where horrible years for me. You'de think the red flag would have gone up, but not so with my JW mom who's only recourse was dragging me before the elders. I'm sickened each time I hear of stories about JW family love....they don't have a clue.

Realizing most families have some level of "dysfunction" I listen and look for tale-tell signs of low self esteem from my grandchildren. Heaven help the bastard that would shame those precious kids. I have such a soft spot for our children. No, it doesn't take a village to raise children, but it can take someone who has been there to reconise the damage done early on from adults who never dealt with their own issues. If any of that makes sense the way I write. Oh well.

Granny

Dia

A word to those who think they're not communicating well enough. Your words are perfect and very easy to understand. EVERYTHING is coming through just fine in this thread.

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About 'nice JWs'. The bottom line is that ALL JWs, irregardless of everything, all JWs believe in their hearts that their own personal salvation is Primo.

The most important thing, in their life, in your life, in their family's life, their children's lives, in the world - everywhere and above all - is their own salvation. Their opportunity to live on a 'paradise earth' - even if it's without everything and everyone they've ever loved and who has ever loved them. They come first and damn everyone else and all the consequences of that.

And they have the audacity to believe that God thinks so, too.

How 'nice' can they possibly be?

I would agree that JWs are VERY GOOD at appearing to be nice.

But appearances are also primo to JWs. So I would consider that to not be worth anything.

detective

If you want to talk about the mean witneses, then you must also talk about the mean people who fill every church in this world.

Musky, I don't agree with you on this one. If someone chooses to speak specifically about problems or attitudes that are either common among witnesses or alternatively, are perceived by the speaker to be common among witnesses from their own personal experiences, why does one have to qualify that by speaking about other churches as well?

Speaking in generalities can always be risky but at the same time, if Larry or Mim have found certain situations common in their experience then I don't see a problem with them saying such. At the same time, if you disagree you could explain from your own experience how you have not experienced such things. But I really don't think that people are obligated to offer a laundry list of the failings of other church groups or people simply because they wish to speak about the problems they've experienced within the witnesses.

I'm all for balance, but I think that your response and experiences would provide that. Attempting to corral others into offering all sides of a particular issue in a single post on a discussion board isn't realistic. Let your response be the "counter" argument.

freedom96

I remember the PO in our hall proudly would state that if one of his kids would get df'd, not only would he kick them out of the house if they lived there, but he would take every picture of them off the walls in his home.

Beck_Melbourne

Granny Linda

I relate well to your comments and admire your ability to come to terms with your jw experience. You may be new to this site, but your contribution has always been outstanding.

I'm especially impressed to see that you are watching for tell tale signs with your own family members (ie. grand kids)...I am a very protective parent also...and all the things that messed me up as a kid and during my teens I have made sure to address and eliminate from my kids lives. This doesn't mean they won't have issues of their own, but when they do, I will attend to it like any loving parent would...I would never abandon them. And the way you right makes perfect sense.

Beck

musky

I realized that others reading my comments may not understand where I am coming from in my responses to this thread. My personal feeling about this "board", is that it predominately reflects ex-witness comments. I automatically assumed ( incorrectly evidently) when I scan down through all the posts such as Larrys, That these are the posters ways of proving that the watchtower is not the true religeon. I did not see Larrys post as simply an "observation". I saw it as a way to show others why witnesses don't have the truth. The ONLY thing I use to show why the watchtower is false, is there doctrine. ( telling there followers to avoid independant thinking is one of my cornerstone problems with the tower). I won't allow myself to condemn them because a few treated me badly. I know thats dangerous, because the second I attend any other church, There will be a few mean people there too.

I gathered from Larrys comments, that he was an elder at one time. I was never an elder, So that kind of added experience puts him in a different league then me. I appreciate his observations.

Beck, Yes, I agree with you. I do not excuse any one persons meanness. It is the thought that all witnesses are mean because a few are, that bothers me.

Detective,

" Musky, I don't agree with you on this one. If someone chooses to speak specifically about problems or attitudes that are either common among witnesses or alternatively, are perceived by the speaker to be common among witnesses from their own personal experiences, why does one have to qualify that by speaking about other churches as well? "

I hope my above comments explain this. I probably misunderstood the intent of Larrys post as simply an "observation". If his intent was to show that the tower was not the true religeon bacause of his observations, Then I feel he also needs to examine the meanness in other religeons as well.

Those 'Mean' JW's

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