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  • Liberty
    Liberty

    Hi Realist,

    For me the turn around came from my own observations and not from direct external information which, as others have stated, would have been automatically discounted. I began to notice that though the Elders preached that we should not get married, have children, buy houses, or get caught up in making a living because the End was so near and the preaching work should be our top priority that they themselves were doing exactly what they were warning the rank and file against. This was especially true following the 1975 "disappointment" and I also noticed that the Society was always bragging on all the new building projects with many years til future completion and equipment they were investing in as well, hardly the acts of people who know for a God revealed fact that the big "A" was about to start any day. In short, I began to wonder just how seriously the Watch Tower Big Wigs took the whole Armegeddon thing right on down to the Elders. It seemed that the fear of the big "A" was just for us lowly publishers as the higher ups went about their business as if this old wicked World was going to be around for another 100 years.

    I also saw the bizarre lack of concern that the Watch Tower Society had for eating blood in unkoshered meat when we were all expected to die rather than take a blood transfusion based on exactly the same scriptures which were clearly talking about improperly slaughtered meat. This made no sense to me at all and I never got a straight answer. Counting service time also seemed unbiblical to me as I couldn't imagine the Apostles turning in their hours to be counted.These and an ever growing list of other slowly expanding logical condradictions caused me to question the truthfulness of the Society in general and that is when the external information began to click into place and made perfect sense.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    I am not really sure what I would have done. I am sure though, that curoisty would have allowed me to read all the quotes, comments, etc. Then, I might have rationalized away or tried to solve some of the issues. But, in time, I am sure I would have left the religion, since that is what I did sometime after reading Crisis of Conscience by ray Franz.

  • Realist
    Realist

    hello elsewhere and grits,

    would you have considered looking up the quotes from a WT library (if that exists) or would you have rejected that idea?

  • minimus
    minimus

    I am with AMAZING on this one. I would have looked for ways to defend the organization, but I would have read the "apostate" material and eventually it would have registered....like it did.

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    It wasn't until I was ready to read and understand anti-WTS material that any of it really sunk in. Hey, I remember my still-a-staunch-JW father telling me about Beth Serim when I was a kid, but it was rationalised as "old light".

    It wasn't until personal observations of mine, as well as personal reading of the Bible, helped me realise the WTS wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

    Then I was ready to accept info that told the real truth about the WTS.

  • butalbee
    butalbee

    If I was an active JW, who actually believed in the bullsheet, lived my life for this so called fantasia of paradise on earth when all non-believers die in the big A, I would conceive that excellent site as lies, lies, and more lies..BTW--I do love that site.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : This was especially true following the 1975 "disappointment" and I also noticed that the Society was always bragging on all the new building projects with many years til future completion and equipment they were investing in as well, hardly the acts of people who know for a God revealed fact that the big "A" was about to start any day.

    Rutherford and Co. did the same thing around 1925 and none was the wiser. Pretty big bunch of heartless arrogant bastards, if you ask me: demand the ultimate sacrifice in others for a date they've picked and don't even trust themselves.

    Farkel

  • queer_reality
    queer_reality

    My reaction would have depended on when in my life I read the quotes. I got out when I was about 19 years old. I had had a serious bout with doubt when I was about 11 or 12. I think I would have been receptive to the information at that time. However, by the time I was 14, my ApostoShields (thanks, Elsewhere) were doing their job. It wasn't until I was 17 that I took my doubts seriously. But even then, I figured that if the Bible was the real thing, then the jws probably were the closest to being on target interpretating it. I was mostly doubting that a god, as described by most christians (loving, omnipotent, omniscient, involved w/ our lives), could exist. But I was also often bothered by internal inconsistancies in jw "logic." I think I would have been much more receptive to such info by the time I was 18.

  • LoyalLeon
    LoyalLeon

    Believe it or not: it is possible to read CoC and become a baptized witness thereafter.

    If you are raised in a witness family with roots back in the 30s there is nothing unheard of. Even 1975 was awaited with some kind of skepticism. So if you have such a back history you want to make sure of what you do before you get baptized, as the WTS encourages one to do. Thus one comes across unbiased information at the public library which contains information based in part on apostate literature. Knowing both sides one is able to make an informed decision, which can still be to become a JW, although you know of the inconsistencies and imperfections.

    But to this day I have not found a sound alternative.

    LL

  • Realist
    Realist

    loyalleon:

    wait a second...you are aware of that the WT is full of shit and you still got baptized and work for them? ...did i misunderstand you?

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