Were ALL nuts. I keep hoping the WT will admit it's guilt and disband. I go to JWD everyday looking for this news. What's that make me?
LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT NOW!
by DJ 24 Replies latest jw friends
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wednesday
Wednesday here.
there are many reasons a person could hear"voices" schiz is not the only one My therapist, a PHD , does know about this and his taek on it is- if an entire group of people hold a belief in commom(ie belief in demons) then one cannot decide a single person from the group is crarzy based on the fact theat they too beleive this. When we were all active JW did we not believe in demons-i know everyone i knew did. I'll admit there was more talk in the 60-80 about demons than there is now. I really do see a lightning up on this subject. Whereas if anything unusual happened to someone-the standard reply was "must be the demons" now this is not always the case. So in that respect the jw havve moved a little out of dark ages.
Again, I do beleive in a spirit world. The account i told about happened one time. I did not talk with them-was was too scared. Nothing that bizzare has ever happened again. however, i am not afraid to admit that form time to time-someting unusal does happen. I only brought this topic up because it is soemthign we all share in common as JW.- Fear of demons. I wondered how others felt now that they had tleft JW..
I think looking back, that the sister was having a Hot dream. But, at the time it was very real to her .She is not the only sis who hs tole me of being raped by the demons. I've seen it in pages of Wt.
I want u to know i do not sit and aroundand dwell on this. I work and have a familyI am in thereapy for chidabuse issues and the tramuma of being DF several times by JW. I have seen a ahrink and he does not think i'm crazy eithe-just some post tramtic stress.
I never thiught ji would have to justify beleving in the demons to a group of kxjw's. I'm a little surpursed. .
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Wednesday,
I have a few questions for you:
1) I read your posts carefully in both threads. There seems to be a discrepancy with regard to the amount of 'experiences' you claim to have had. One place you say only one time....another place you claim during the day.....another place you claim in bed....another place you claim it occurs occasionally. WHICH IS IT?
2) If you still believe in most of the WT's doctrines.....why are you here?
3) I am happy to hear that your therapist tells you that you are not crazy for holding the belief that demons exist but I am to understand that she too holds the belief that demons exist? I assume that what your therapist is saying is that your are not crazy for holding the belief.......but what does he/she say about the cause of these occurances. Figments of your imagination? You are unclear there as well.
4) I also noticed that you mentioned sexual abuse. Are you also saying that you are a silent lamb? Please elaborate if you feel you can.
I felt sorry for you initially and took alot of flack for trying to defend you on both threads. I really hope you were being honest. I never received an e-mail from you which shows me once again your possible insincerity. From my experience with these occurances, generally the person with the 'claim' is extremely eager to speak to someone to relate to and who offers assistance. I find your story odd. dj
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wednesday and dj,,,,
no offense intended!!! was overly tired and was just making fun of the "demon's"....really had
nothing to do with your situation...was being silly with not much thought being put into it....
appologizes to both of you....you are right though...." think before writing and responding"
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wednesday
My experiences with demons have been many and varied. the really unusual one i told u about happened in bed at night and at a house that a number of other things had also happened.I have had experiences in both day and night. They only happen occ now. (this has all been over a very long period of time also)Nothing ever a vivd has happened again-but there have been definite encountes.
I attend the meeting on occ. and yes still basicaly believe it but find them very unloving. I'lll never go in service again. The problem is they are unloving.
My therapist and i have worked together for a long time and he knows me well. he's not sure what i saw but he knows i'm not nuts. Yes i had sexual abuse as a child. It was my father. I could not remeber it until many years later, but just "knew" something was wrong. It took therapy to help me remember. My dad is dead now-and i have told a few people. I was raped by a jw and they DF me instead for as they said then"either u are lying and accusing this bro of a gross sin or u have commited fornication yourself. We know u were drinking_(he got me drunk) so either way u are DF) He went free and raped again. they got him the second time. they df him but he moved away and new cong never told of his past.. I support the silent lambs-they are correct. this stuff hapens. wE never told to go to police or anythng. For god sake-rape is a crime.
dj i appreciate u extending your hand and i was vey touched by it. I just not ready to exactly throw caution to the wind here. I know there are jw moles on these boards.
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wednesday
Edited by - wednesday on 15 September 2002 5:42:18