Thoughts on the Columbine Tragedy

by SYN 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • SYN
    SYN

    Hope the word "Columbine" is spelled right in this post

    Today I read an article on Rense.com (an excellent website for all conspiracy theorists) where a parent was moaning about MTV, and the influence it was having on American children and other children. Apparently, MTV is bad for your morals or something. I wouldn't know, I've been to busy humping to watch it But anyway, to get to my main point, this made me recall a conversation (well, more like a fight actually ) that I had with one of my high-school teachers a few years back. She was a high-ranking teacher - one of the most influential ones on the schoolteacher's board at my school, so that made fighting with her in front of an entire classroom of shocked students even more fun

    The day after the Columbine tragedy (don't get me wrong - it was a HORRIBLE, SICKENING tragedy) she told us that she knew who was responsible for the killings. She said that the game Doom, manufactured by iD software, had instructed Klebold and friend to shoot their classmates. Now, this immediately made me stand up out of my seat and say "Oh, right, so if we read War & Peace then go to war because of it, we should blame Tolstoy? Your religion was responsible for the Crusades, which make the Columbine tragedy pale in comparison - and yet you choose to base your entire life and belief system on that?"

    Now, this woman was quite mean and very, very nasty - she knew that I was a hardline athiest, and yet she continously dropped comments about God loving me all the time. It's a pity I was forced to take her English classes. What probably pissed her off even more was that no matter how much trouble she gave me and how much she taunted me for being an athiest, I would still turn in essays that she couldn't rightly score less than a B+ for. This probably really rocked her world, that someone as Ghod-forsaken as me could do things like that. She must've thought I was driven by Satan or something LMAO!

    So after the above comment, which contained a reference I knew only she would get, since there were really no great Tolstoy fans in the classroom, she went bright red. This woman was NOT used to having her authority challenged in this way, and she had a major ego problem about it, so she then began her spiel, saying how she had seen Doom and all the pentagrams and other Satanic symbolism in the game, and how it was an evil, Satanic game. Needless to say, I started giggling insanely, and she couldn't NOT have heard me, as I was right at the front, all the better to flame her! Asked why I was laughing, I asked her if she had been shown Carmack's head on a stick inside the final boss in the game, and she said no, so then I asked her why she was taking this game so seriously. Her response was that she felt it was a game influenced by Satan, and that it had driven the two murderes in Columbine to do their deeds. Unfortunately for this "beloved" teacher of mine, she hadn't realized that I'd been scouring the Web the night before for more information on the murderers, and had discovered a few things. Here was my response:

    "So, ma'am, are you saying that Doom was the exclusive reason behind the killings? The ultimate motivation? The single instigator?"
    "Yes, I am. It is a Satanic game, featuring plenty of mindless violence."
    "Does the fact the the two killers were widely castigated and derided in their social environment for being nerds/geeks have no bearing? Does the fact that they were both on anti-depressant drugs give you no pause? Do you wish to lay the blame at the foot of a video game which runs at a resolution so low that if a person could see at the same resolution, they would be considered legally blind?"

    Of course, I got detention

    My main point is, this teacher felt that a silly game could cause people to commit murder. This seems utterly ridiculous to me. From the accounts of the Columbine tragedy, it seems that the game in question, Doom, was certainly not free of guilt - the killers even mentioned the game during their spree. However, what was the primary reason they started shooting up their classmates? Just playing a video game isn't something that's going to make you start shooting people. If this were true, I'd be a mass murderer! And yet, everyone who knows me personally will understand my absolute pacifism - I have guilty feelings about squashing flies, and I will not step on spiders, but will rather pick them up with a piece of paper and put them in the garden. What my teacher and many others have entirely missed is the fact that these two guys were in a social environment that was not friendly to them - it's the good old "jocks vs. nerds" scenario. It is something that personally affected me, and it can lead to incredible stress during the school years. Laying all the blame at the foot of a video game is wrong.

    What are the views of the posters here about the influence of contemporary video games, music and television on "the youth"? Was the Youth Book right?

  • scootergirl
    scootergirl

    Morning, syn!

    I have three children (11, 9 and 2-1/2 years old). They LOVE to play PS. They have a whole bunch of games that they play. And yes, they do imitate what they see in the games.....but their imitation isn't of killing. They tend to try to imitate the xtreme sports stuff! As I type, one of them in in a cast (broke his wrist) trying to imitate some skateboarding moves! LOL

    As a parent of young children, I censor what kind of games that they play. "Mature rated" games are not allowed in my home (given their age). My children are too young to watch MTV. My oldest does have a computer in her room and downloads music often. Occasionally I check (we are networked) her computer to see what she is downloading. Last check, there were a few songs that I didn't feel were appropriate and we talked about them. She deleted them off the computer and I still let her download what she wants-but she knows that Momma's eyes are watching.

    But, I have to make this comment, my children are exposed to much more watching the news then they are in movies, games, books etc. Just about any given day, we are exposed to extensive details about crimes on the television. I enjoy watching the news, but it is sad when the kids know that it is reality and not some fantasy game. We practice open communication in our home........any question asked will be given a honest answer.

    Sometimes bad people do bad things. Thoughts and ideas are already there and I don't believe are put their by games and music and such. BUT I do believe that outside influences can enable and contribute to inappropriate behavior.

    Edited by - scootergirl on 14 September 2002 8:59:38

  • SYN
    SYN

    Great post Scootergirl! And good afternoon to ye! Yeah, I totally agree. Geesh, I was my parents were are cool as you when I was that age...*sigh* You make an excellent point about what kids can get on the daily news compared to games and MTV etc.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    It's a tough issue for me.

    I don't believe in censorship, but it seems to me that MTV and video game manufacturers could act more responsibly. The entertainment industry (like all others) looks at success strictly in monetary terms, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of concern for social impact. *Sigh* the downside of capitalism, I guess. But, if there wasn't a demand, there would be no need for the supply, which is a broader indictment of our culture.

  • dottie
    dottie

    When I was in school and living at home, my mother, was convinced that I was doing all these awful teenage things(by awful, I mean normal teen stuff) because of the music I listened to. Because of the borg, music was a great emotional release for me, so music at that time was a HUGE part of my life. The first time i ever skipped a class, I got caught. My mom was called and when I got home, my entire room was stripped BARE of anything that was related to music. Posters, magazines, books, my stereo, along with my tapes, collectable '45's (remember them?) and any kind of t-shirt that had a rock group on it. Needless to say I lost my mind (or so it seemed!)

    I guess that the point is, your teacher blamed Doom for the same reason that my mom blamed the music. A quick easy scapegoat. If it looks bad, it must be evil...alot of people still blame music for things that kids do,(wasn't Marilyn Manson blamed for Columbine as well?) and they don't look at the real cold hard facts. They don't want to admit that there's a problem with what they're doing, and what they're teaching.(living in and encouraging social classes).

    Anyway, good morning to all I have to get ready for work! I like something to think about while I drudge though the day. Great Topic SYN!!

    dottie

  • musky
    musky

    SYN, Interesting story. I share your thought that "doom" was not guilt-free, but others also entered in. Isn't it amazing, How some teachers in high school or middle school , feel that they cannot be challenged? Even when they are obviously wrong, they are still adamant that they are right. I call it the "teachers complex". Because they are the teacher, THEY CANNOT BE WRONG! A good teacher knows when to shut up and learn. Maybe they don't realize that most of what they are teaching is greatly appreciated by the class, and there is no threat to them.

  • Sadie5
    Sadie5

    I was just asking our 14yr old these type of questions yesterday. He likes to play those types of games and I was asking things like,did he ever put people he knew in the place of the game characters. How did he feel emotionally after playing the game. He passed the Mom test. I do notice the games are quite addictive and time consuming so we don't ban them but try to schedule times for other things too. Banning or making things forbidden only seem to entice people to crave that more.

    I think it is possible that a combination of things could have caused the tragedy at Columbine. As a parent, I think the most important thing we can do is to talk to our children, and listen to them. Find out what problems they are having, what bugs them, how they view things, and aid them in solving problems.

    That's all for now, I don't think my braid is functioning quite yet.

    Sadie

  • SpannerintheWorks
    SpannerintheWorks

    Interesting post.

    I think if anyone is going to be aggressive and even murder, then they are going to anyway, no matter how many video games they play or violent films they watch. But I think they can sometimes contribute to bad behaviour in a particular character type.

    However, there is also a positive side to such activities. Whilst people are watching films, playing games and listening to music, they aren't out mugging little old ladies! And playing video games can be a great way to reduce stress and "take it out" on the baddies in the game rather than on "real" people.

    SpannerintheWorks

  • SYN
    SYN

    Great comments guys!

    Dan: More responsibly how?

    Dottie: That's exactly what I felt like too! She was just dismissing other, far more important factors out of hand and focusing on her own personal bugbear! Argh!

    Musky: Yep, this teacher was never in fact challenged by anyone except me and a couple of others...she was EVIL!

    Sadie: Good thoughts. There are many great Moms on this forum!

  • scootergirl
    scootergirl

    Another comment......(then I will shut up! LOL)

    As a parent, I need to be on top of what my children are exposed to. Keep the lines of communication open. When I see that they have been exposed to something that is "out of the norm" I ask "how do you feel about that?"

    Example, my daughter had me listen to a song that she has on a cd that the theme was about suicide. Of course, this was a shock to me. But instead of telling her "I don't want you listening to that" I asked her "how do you feel about that song?".......

    Her response, was how sad she felt that someone couldn't tell anyone that they felt that they wanted to kill themselves. We then talked about if she ever felt that way (and felt she couldn't talk to me about it) who could she talk to. It was a way for us to talk about something that I hope never crosses her mind. The lines of communication were way open and she and I had a good talk. She asked if I ever felt that way and I truthfully answered her. Then I got to ask if she ever felt that way and she answered me (said no, whew) and she agreed that if life ever got that bad that she has a handful of adults that she could call.

    I think that he initial reaction to a song like that was curiousity and partly to see what I thought.

    I am just trying to build a foundation for them. They are gone from me 9 hours a day w/school and I have no control what they are exposed to there. In fact, the stuff that they are exposed to on their bus ride sometimes makes my hair stand on end. But they know that they can come and talk to me about ANYTHING and I will not yell, chastise or punish them for talking about things. Just ask eyegirl.....sometimes our "talks" are really off the wall and strange!

    I want to raise my kids differently than I was raised! It was a vow I made when my first child was born.

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