by kelsey007 21 Replies latest jw friends
I'm just curious. Why does the fact that they can MAKE the brain do this somehow make OBE not true? The brain is a tool of the mind. Just as the surgeon can make body parts move or affect speech or smell when using electrical probes during brain surgery,so I'm sure that there are parts of the brain that are just now being discovered that have other jobs! I don't find the fact that they can recreate the experience makes it any less real.
just my 2 :)
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By David Miller Department of Physics and Astronomy, University College, London, UK.
In three dimensions, and with the complications of relativity, this is the Higgs mechanism. In order to give particles mass, a background field is invented which becomes locally distorted whenever a particle moves through it. The distortion - the clustering of the field around the particle - generates the particle's mass. The idea comes directly from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout all space a solid contains a lattice of positively charged crystal atoms. When an electron moves through the lattice the atoms are attracted to it, causing the electron's effective mass to be as much as 40 times bigger than the mass of a free electron.
The postulated Higgs field in the vacuum is a sort of hypothetical lattice which fills our Universe. We need it because otherwise we cannot explain why the Z and W particles which carry the weak interactions are so heavy while the photon which carries electromagnetic forces is massless.
The Higgs boson is predicted to be just such a clustering in the Higgs field. We will find it much easier to believe that the field exists, and that the mechanism for giving other particles is true, if we actually see the Higgs particle itself. Again, there are analogies in the physics of solids. A crystal lattice can carry waves of clustering without needing an electron to move and attract the atoms. These waves can behave as if they are particles. They are called phonons and they too are bosons.
There could be a Higgs mechanism, and a Higgs field throughout our Universe, without there being a Higgs boson. The next generation of colliders will sort this out.
So if one could control the Higgs field........................................
"Bummed me out" at first, but then I thought of a really neat invention. The "floating above the bed" stimulator. I bet I could sell a million. Any brain surgeons here????????
This is "old news" so to speak. There has always been opposing views of the "Near -Death" experience...either they are real, we do have spirits that leave our mortal body, or the experience is artificial and nothing more than a brain response. While I have no doubt clinicians are correct in their assessments that some experiences are cerebrally induced, there is also a mountain of evidence, or studies if you will, that indicate that some of the experiences are something other than a function of the mind.
Additionally, there are those who have had unexplainable experiences with those who have passed on. Yes, I know there are hugh doubters on this board as there are several threads on this subject containing both points of view. So, that brings us back to square one...
Interesting theory, and in some cases I buy it, but what of the cases where conversations held by people in other rooms is overheard by the "deceased"?
Interesting theory, and in some cases I buy it, but what of the cases where conversations held by people in other rooms is overheard by the "deceased"?
Exactly YERU. Also the studies with children where they have no adult knowledge or biases....facinating stuff.
Still doesn't explain how people that have OBE's also describe things going on around them, with they're eyes closed, one person is heardly a realy scientific experment. Whoever published this was an idiot, one person does not make a study.
I have to agree with Trauma on this one. People who are "believers" are often pounced on by skeptics because the things they experience cannot be reproduced in a labratory environment. Yet I often see skeptics jump on the same bandwagon when a study is released confirming what they believe. One person does not make this study in any way reliable. Give me reproducable results from several patients and I'll consider it. As I've already stated, I've had an OBE and this study does not explain several key items involved with it. One of those Yeru already mentioned.
While science may be able to explain some of the NDEs as being simply neurons breaking down in the brain or whatever they say, I'd really like to know how they would explain a situation where someone has a NDE, and meets a brother they never even knew they had; or they can hear conversations going on in other rooms in the hospital, or they can describe exactly what's going on in the operating room while they're at death's door. A simple part of the brain under stress? Not bloody likely. While I have a great respect for science, they will go to the ends of the earth to try and explain away every single phenomenon people have as nothing more than "it's all in your head."
I'm more and more convinced that these experiences are real but you'll never convince science of that. One things for sure: we'll all find out one day.........
One things for sure: we'll all find out one day.........
Amen, sister....AMEN.
Edited by - Double Edge on 19 September 2002 18:32:37
