Islamic Jehovah Witnesses

by Rado Vleugel 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rado Vleugel
    Rado Vleugel

    This article is not really about Jehovahs Witnesses, but it is interesting to see that the writer compares Jehovahs Witnesses with Islamic fundamentalists (I have made the sentences bold)

    6th al-Qaida suspect held without bail in Buffalo
    BY ROSE CIOTTA
    Knight Ridder Newspapers

    AP
    Muktar Ali Al-Bakri

    LACKAWANNA, N.Y. - (KRT) - An American picked up during his wedding reception in Bahrain was named Monday as the sixth member of an alleged sleeper al-Qaida terrorist cell based here.

    Mukhtar Ali al-Bakri, 22, was ordered held in federal custody Monday after appearing in federal court in Buffalo in handcuffs and shackles. Information provided by the slight-built man triggered a chain of events that led to his arrest and the arrests of five other Lackawanna men over the weekend.

    Two other men described in government documents as "uncharged coconspirators" have not been arrested. In the Bakri affidavit, the government identified one of the two men as Jaber Elbaneh. His relatives in Lackawanna declined to comment. A neighborhood store owner said Elbaneh had traveled to Yemen with relatives several months ago to visit with their extended families.

    The six suspects will appear in court Wednesday for a bail hearing that will require the government to disclose more details about the charges. All of the men face criminal charges of providing "material support and resources" to al-Qaida, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison. A federal magistrate Monday entered a mandatory not-guilty plea for Bakri and approved a publicly funded attorney for him.

    "He's a little bit confused about everything happening so fast," John Molloy, Bakri's attorney, told reporters outside the courtroom.

    Molloy sounded skeptical about the government's case and said he wanted to hear specifics.

    Bakri, a naturalized American citizen who was born in Yemen, was held by the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain on immigration charges after that nation was contacted by the U.S. State Department. He was turned over to American law enforcement and was accompanied by a New York state trooper on a government plane to Buffalo, arriving Sunday.

    Bakri, interviewed by federal agents on Sept. 11 in Bahrain, admitted that he and some of the five other suspects had traveled to Pakistan in the summer of 2001 to attend training in Tablighi Jamaat, described by Muslims as a kind of Islamic Jehovah Witnesses in which members often travel from place to place preaching a kind of revivalist message, according to the government documents.

    Like the other suspects, Bakri grew up in Lackawanna, where he played soccer and attended the local high school. All six live within a few blocks of one another.

    In court, while asking for a public defender, Bakri said he last worked in May 2001, making deliveries for a wholesale company. His parents supported him, he said. In May, he traveled with them to Bahrain with plans to be married.

    According to the government documents, before the wedding he met with FBI officials and told them that he and three other suspects traveled to Pakistan in June 2001, where they spent a week in Karachi before flying to the Pakistani city of Quetta. After spending a night there, they drove to Kandahar, Afghanistan, where they stayed in a guest house before going to the al-Qaida camp, where they were trained in the use of Kalashnikov assault rifles, handguns and long-range rifles.

    While there, Osama bin Laden visited the camp and lectured about the alliance of Islamic Jihad and al-Qaida. His speech was anti-United States and anti-Israel, according to government documents.

    Bakri also confirmed the participation of the two uncharged coconspirators from Lackawanna who have not been arrested.

    Officials declined Monday to say if they know where the men are and whether they are being sought.

    Bakri said there were 200 people in training at the camp who were divided into groups of 20, with each person given code names. Bakri's code name was "Abu Omar Alyafei." He also told authorities the code name of uncharged "coconspirator A," with whom he had communicated by e-mail, according to the government documents.

    Bakri sent an e-mail to one of the coconspirators on July 18 advising "that person of information which law enforcement personnel interpret as referring to possible terrorist activity," according to court documents.

    On Sept. 12, the FBI interviewed one of the five men arrested over the weekend, Sahim A. Alwan, 29, who also confirmed the trip to the training camp by the Lackawanna men.

    Alwan told authorities his group of four left Lackawanna on May 14, 2001, and traveled to Toronto, to the United Arab Emirates, and then to Karachi, Pakistan, where they were met by "coconspirator A," a former Lackawanna resident who is a U.S. citizen and an acquaintance of Alwan's. This man arranged for their travel to Afghanistan, the government documents say.

    While at a guest house, Alwan and Jaber Elbaneh were lectured on "jihad (holy war), prayers and "justification for using suicide as a weapon," according to government documents.

    The four others in custody are Shafal A. Mosed, 24; Yabya A. Goba, 25; Yasein A. Taher, 24; and Faysal H. Galab, 26.

    Despite the details revealed by the government, supporters insisted that the men traveled to the Middle East for religious training. Their trip "is not a new story. This is an old story," said Abdulwahab Ziad, imam of the Lackawanna Islamic mosque. 2002, The Philadelphia Inquirer.

    Rado Vleugel
    http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

  • sf
    sf

    Thanks Rado

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    And so many 'poo-poo-ed' Tallyman and what his sharp points were re: the relevance of 'terrorists/terror(isms)' and 'jws'.

    I so wish there was access to that Gallery now! He was sooooo right about soooooo many points.

    sKally

  • sf
    sf

    Of course, Kent still has some of 'It' up here:

  • sf
  • Simon
    Simon

    Thanks Rado ... interesting to see what 'worldy people' think of JWs and how they are so easily equated with other extremist fundamentalist types

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    Which brings up an interesting theory, what happens when & if the GB decides the JW's are really supposed to be helping God along in his rush to the GT & Armeggedon?

  • breeze
    breeze

    Theory, is the key word here....

    This is not a valid arguement against the DUBS....."get real" the word terroists and Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't belong together....!!!!

    Jehovah's Witnesses leave all of the action against the world up to Jehovah...they preach to be in line with all of the superior authorities...

    BREEZE

  • willy_think
    willy_think

    Main Entry: terrorism
    Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
    Function: noun
    Date: 1795
    : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
    - terrorist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
    - terroristic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

    Main Entry: terror
    Pronunciation: 'ter-&r
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrEre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble more at TREMBLE
    Date: 14th century
    1 : a state of intense fear
    2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT
    3 : REIGN OF TERROR
    4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
    synonym see FEAR
    - terrorless /-l&s/ adjective

    breeze,

    I'm afraid I must disagree, I personally have witnessed WT representatives use terror to correct my farther.
    Because the WT terrorizes it's own members does not change the definition of terrorist.

  • breeze
    breeze

    THE WHOLE RELIGION Would have to be REWRITTEN.....

    I am certain you have had very little contact with the witnesses. This is not their style, never would they promote the killing of anyone.

    It is possible that some elders get strong in their defense of their beliefs but hey would never kill.

    This kind of talk is irresponsible crap, obvouisly from a person that has never been a witness.

    It is this kind of conversation that starts things and gets them out of control....promoting something not real....DUBS have many problems and are maybe a bit misguided but never have promoted any kind of violence.....!!!!!

    BREEZE

  • willy_think
    willy_think

    Hay breeze,
    I've been involved with the witness for 29 years. I am certain you are a fool of loose moral character who would have us believe that an act of violence is the only tool of a terrorist. fear is the tool, how that fear is generated is irrelevant.

    LOL............ I read all 39 of your posts, TROLL.

    Newbie you know shit and have all the compassion of a rock.

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