Drugs

by Satanus 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • GentlyFeral
    GentlyFeral

    SS, I don't have any theory to add, but I second the recommendtion of Terence McKenna for some fine fancy speculation on drugs-in-history.

    Also, when you run out of money and mj at the same time, go to www.basementshaman.com and drop a measly FIFTEEN BUCKS on an ounce of Calea Dreams smoking mix. Almost as powerful as good weed (slightly less psychedelic), smoother and tastier to smoke, just as relaxing, and, while you don't get pretty hallucinations, it will give you interesting and instructive dreams that night.

    GentlyFeral

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Thanks for the recommendations and referrals. I agree on mckenna. Through kazaa many of his speaches can be downloaded. I like listening to the guy. Horny goat weed? Heh heh. An interesting name. Basement shaman has a nice ring to it. Something to check out.

    SS

  • ambush22
    ambush22

    all i can say os do drugs donr let the, do u

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Welcome to the board, ambush. Any brother of valis is a brother of mine. Narcotic type drugs generally damage people, although they have their place for people w severe pain. Their damage was clearly illustrated in the thread about the jw crack addict who was driven to kill and rob an old lady. Sad. Psychedelics can have positive results, if used discriminately.

    SS

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    Strong substances have strong effects. This week I'll be visiting some more astrotravellers in our community to see if they have food in the fridge, and check they aren't a threat to themselves or others - otherwise we have to put em back in the box for some intense type of drug restraint.

    Strange thing, how our society just can't handle altered minds. We let people refuse all types of medical treatment, but when it comes to brains - no way - they're teated involuntarily as we deem is required (even an advance health directive is overridden when it comes to mental health). No wonder people hate dubs being so wilfully dead in the head - the human race as a whole just can't accept damaged minds as being ok to do.

    paduan

  • showme
    showme

    Extacy came from Texas. In the 80's you could buy it out of vending machines around Austin. It was mostly perscribed to couples having marital problems.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Paduan

    I find your post interesting. The people you are visiting, are they non prescription drug users? If so what type? Would you like to share more info about them?

    The powers that be, both scientific and religious, dissprove strongly of altered mind states that suggest that there could be other dimensions. The scientists, generally, don't like suggestions of spiritual or similar dimensions. The christian authorities dislike suggestions that other heavens or hells, other than their own, might exist. In both cases, psychonauts challenge the status quo.

    SS

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Accepts spiritual food from Brother Satan, partakes and passes to Brother Ambush.

    Love,

    Robyn

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    I've been visiting 'mental health consumers' in a nursing capacity - the reason for the presentation to the service often stems from illicit drug use - but it's not generally a stand alone reason. Other precipitating factors exist; mostly family dysfunction, lack of love or even jw or jw type parents perhaps.

    Drugs of course can promote altered mind states, but generally clients are thought of as being 'sick', and therapeutically treated, even against their will. The impressive scientific advances of the medical profession over the last century have provided them with the authority to therapeutic treat the 'sick', and by using the language of 'disease' when describing 'illness' - they have gained the authority to say what is socially normal or abnormal in terms of disease.

    The state of course provides allowance for people to give advanced health directives in regard to all but mental state. It's like, "We will let you die or be sick, but there's no way we'll resign to simply let you become a nut". And I think that is a human trait that is reflected in the way people are disturbed by jws insisting on both being nuts and 'at large' - the perception being endangerment to themselves and others via their nuthood.

    paduan

  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound

    All I can say, is that when my apendix blew up, after being in the hospital for 7 days on constent iv narcotics, I was sent home with more narcotics. As anyone knows your bowels and everything else isn't working right at the time, and you need to get them working by eating, the narcotics were making me sick, and since they were a lower dosage then what I was used to being on an iv, they didn't help with the pain. I had my girlfriend buy me some MJ, my pain was taken away, and I started eating, because the MJ didn't make me sick, while the narcs did.

    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info7.shtml

    MDMA Neuropharmacology aka Extasy

    by Lamont Granquist


    MDMA is primarily a seritonergic (5-HTergic) drug. Serotonin (5-hydroxytrytamine, 5-HT) is one of the major neurotransmitters in the brain, and is synthesized from tryptophan through the intermediate 5-hydroxytryptophan. It is synthesized in 5-HT neurons, and stored in synaptic vesicles. These vesicles release their 5-HT into the synaptic cleft in response to the firing of the 5-HT neurons. In the synaptic cleft the 5-HT neurotransmitter excerts its action on both pre- and post- synaptic receptor sites (sites on the 5-HT neuron itself, and on the neuron which it is communicating with.) 5-HT is then taken back into the 5-HT neuron via the synaptic membrane 5-HT transporter (aka "reuptake pump"), where it is again stored in the synaptic vesicles. 5-HT is metabolized primarily by monoamine oxidase (MAO) into 5-hydroxyindileacetic acid (5-HIAA).

    Serotonin is thought to be responsible for many psychological (and physiological) states including mood and sleep. It has been particularly associated with major depression and obsessive compulsive disorder, and drugs to treat these disorders tend to effect 5-HT (although things are not quite clear-cut).

    MDMA blocks the reuptake of 5-HT, similarly to SSRI (serotonin specific reuptake inhibiting) anti-depressants such as fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline, and paroxetine. Unlike those drugs, however, MDMA appears to enter the neuron, either through passive diffusion or directly through the reuptake transporter, and causes the release of 5-HT. This release is calcium-independent (i.e. independent of the firing of the 5-HT neuron) and appears to come from cytoplasmic stores rather than from synaptic vesicles. The released 5-HT then enters the synaptic cleft through the 5-HT transporter. MDMA thus acts on 5-HT similarly to the way amphetamines act on dopamine.

    It is thought that this efflux of 5-HT into the synaptic cleft, and the subsequent action of this 5-HT on pre- and post- synaptic binding sites is central to MDMA's neuropharmacology. MDMA, however, has micromolar potency for the serotonin 5-HT2, muscarinic M1, alpha-2 adrenergic and histamine H1 receptors. Agonist (stimulation rather than blocking) properties at the 5-HT2 receptor have been found to fairly universally be associated with "classical" psychedelic drugs such as LSD, psilocybin and mescaline. It is possible that some of MDMA's "psychedelic" effect occurs because of interactions with this receptor. The alpha-2 adrenergic receptor may be associated with some of the carciovascular effects of MDMA. MDMA also releases dopamine which may be central to both its psychological action and to its neurotoxicity in animal studies. Pre- treatment of an animal with a drug which blocks dopamine release will also block MDMA neurotoxicity. Also, serotonin specific releasing agents which are non-dopaminergic have been synthesized and been found to be devoid of MDMA's neurotoxicity in animals, they have also been found to be devoid of MDMA's psychological effects. MDMA tends to indirectly *inhibit* the firing and release of dopamine in nigrostriatal dopamine neurons (neurons projecting from the substantia nigra to the striatum) due to local 5-HT release.

    MDMA doses of 20mg/kg in animals can reduce levels of tryptophan hydroxylase, which is the rate-limiting enzyme in 5-HT synthesis. It is thought that this occurs because of oxidative stress which MDMA places on the neuron. This oxidative stress might occur through several possible channels (the metabolism of MDMA into a toxic Quinoid, 5-HT derived toxins, 5-HT mediated cellular events, or temporary inhibition of monoamine oxidase) and the exact mechanism is presently unknown. It is thought that this oxidative stress also leads to the neurodegenerative destruction of 5-HT axons which is observed to occur with large doses of MDMA in animals. Anti-oxidants, anti-dopaminergic agents, agents which block intracellular calcium increases and pre- or post- treatment (up to 6 hours) with fluoxetine all block MDMA's neurotoxicity. Research ontinues on the exact mechanism of MDMA-induced toxicity.

    In summary, MDMA effects 5-HT similarly to the way that amphetamines effect dopamine, by inhibiting the reuptake and causing the release of 5-HT. This effect is somewhat similar to the effect that SSRI anti-depressant drugs have. It also effects the 5-HT2 (psychedelic) and alpha-2 adrenergic (cardiovascular) receptor sites. Also, its effects on dopamine appear, at this point, to be involved both with its neurotoxicity and psychological effects. For more information, see:

    Rattray-M. "Ecstasy: towards an understanding of the biochemical basis of the actions of MDMA." Essays in Biochemistry. 26:77-87. 1991.

    And for general info:

    Synder, Solomon H. "Drugs and the Brain." Scientific American Books. 1986. (slightly out of date, but a good introduction).

    Cooper-JR, Bloom-FE, Roth-RH. "The Biochemical Basis of Neuro- Pharmacology." Oxford Uniersity Press. 1991 (6th ed). (the bible for grad students)

    ---------- Lamont Granquist ( [email protected])
    "And then the alien anthropologists - Admitted they were still perplexed - But
    on eliminating every other reason - For our sad demise - They logged the only
    explanation left - This species has amused itself to death" -- Roger Waters

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