by UnDisfellowshipped 39 Replies latest watchtower bible
Farkel:
what fools people who believe in Jehovah of the Bible are.Maybe....especially the way some people around here define Who God IS. Seriously, do you even consider that 'God' , a 'Creator', 'Life Force', or whatever exists - just not in the way people/bible defines him/her/it?
: So much resentment tward God!
I said "Bible-God."
: He didn't create these things! Man by his misuse of his Godgiven earthly rights has caused all these once harmless germs to transform bacteria into a death destroying enemy.
How, EXACTLY did man "transform" bacteria, then?
: Satan is to blame.
Now you're blaming an invisible bad-guy for man's troubles, which were caused by the decisions of your invisible "good-guy." Can't demolish claims about invisible good/bad guys. No one can. My invisible purple unicorn tooth fairy told me so.
: Jehovah withdrew his protection over his earthly creation at Man's fall and Satan caused the germs to mutate.
But you said earlier than MAN "caused" the mutations, not God. So who caused them? If you had the power to do so, would you set in motion germ-mutation to kill your unborn grandchildren because of some "sin" your own children did? You would? Then you're the worst parent who ever existed. You wouldn't? Then you're not emulating your "perfect" God and what he did to not only his own children, but thousands of GENERATIONS of his children.
: Do your damn re-search before posting these ludicrous statements of yours!
No need. I known enough about Bible-God to want to learn no more.
Farkel
UD,
to put it simply Regeneration (being born again) preceads our faith and repentance. That is if one is going to trust Jesus Christ for salvation and turn from his sin then a change has to happen to his heart first his volition his will, and it is some thing he can't do only God can. Conversion to Christ to and the Christian religion is a merical that can be done only by God and this (along with other things) is what seperates us from all other religions.
Look at John 3:3-8
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Look at verse 3 and 5. You can see that in both passages that Jesus is not giving an imparitive (command) statement, but instead is giving a universal indicitive statement. This is also evident due to the 4th verse when Nicodemus inquires about being born again and is puzzled so he asked "How" in reference what man can do to be born again when he sees that this is impossable in a fleshly manor. In verse 5 Jesus does not answer back with a command but repeates the same indicitive statement and in verse 6 instructs that this busness of being born again is a spiritual matter and cannot be done by the flesh but is a gracious gift by God in the Spirit. Now in verse 7 the clause "You must be born again" at first sounds like an indicitive, but that would contradict the meaning of verses 3 and 5. If you look at the second half of verse 3 "he cannot see the kingdom of God." it gives greater understand to the latter clause of verse 7 in which it is trying to communicate the grand over all universal indicitive that being born again is your passage into the Glorious Kingdom of God and Heaven. Verse 3 through 5 expalin that it is a work of God and not man and verse 8 give some detail on how God does this work. There is no command to be born again for us to do just a universal statement that unless being born again happens to us we will have no hope in seeing the Kingdom of Heaven.
In reference to the Covenant promise of deliverence (since that is one of the major themes of the covenant, Promise and Deliverance) this is what the Lord says HE will do.
Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh andgive you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
This is not our doing but God's Grace
Faith Alone Grace Alone Christ Alone to God Alone be the Glory,
jr
Example indicitive: Unless there is rain we will not have good crops for harvest.
Example imparitive: Go and water the crops for harvist.
Edited by - clash_city_rockers on 2 October 2002 23:7:41
From all the post that I have seen on this forum this one is the biggest crapheap of all.
avengers
This must be some kinda record for me. I agreeeeee. LOL.hahahahaha
oh btw,
But he LOVES you! What a pile of crap that is and what fools people who believe in Jehovah of the Bible are.
Farkel
Farkel just wants to be god thats all.
God Farkel...hmmm
Elect Farkel for god and we will have no more lice! YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Farkel,
Where did your sense of humor go? I was only kidding in my post.....I thought you knew that!
Your deadly virus idea is another argument I have not heard Christians address yet. Why they were put here is a good question.
clash_city_rockers, tj,
I am really sorry about taking this long to reply.
I have been extremely busy recently.
I definitely am going to reply to your comments as soon as I can (hopefully later tonight)
This is a Reply to "avengers"
avengers said:
From all the post that I have seen on this forum this one is the biggest crapheap of all.
Well, each person is entitled to their own opinion.
avengers said:
How can a God of Love let his children suffer just so His name is sanctified? This is about as selfish as you can get.I have seen good people give Him everything they could; defend His Name, do service for Him year in and year out.
His promise: No disaster shall come upon him, no terrible plague. Yeah right!!
A promise He never kept. Jehovah GOD is a liar!! Jehovah is a GOD created by the Watchtower,
whose Name they use to manipulate millions of people to do the will of the Governing Body.
The Watchtower is the way their God is; Liars.
Their propaganda has to stop! They are making more and more people more angry.
Their family-policy is not to create better families as they claim to do in these coming months.
Their aim is to deliberately destroy them in the Name of Jehovah.
He who says: "Do not steal". Do you steal?
He who says: "Do not fornicate?" Do you fornicate?
The WT slept with the beast. They are fornicators!
They have supported the UN, which is in their own eyes a Wild Beast, yet they sleep with it 10 years.
And it takes an apostate to "show them the error of their ways".
They that say: "He that ruins the earth shal be ruined". Are they themselves not the ones who are ruining the earth?
How much was the pollution fine they had to pay? Wasn't it $30,000?
Children please empty your piggybanks for the distribution of the Good News of the Kingdom.
He who says: "Do not support the military" Do you support the military? The WT has shares in a company which links them to the Navy.
He who says: "We abhor child molestation". Do you create a pedophile paradise?
He who says: "We have a Clean Organisation". Can you guarantee the safety of my children?
Can you guarantee me there are no child molesters at assemblies preying on our children? Clean? Yeah right!
23000. Does that number ring a bell?
The Watchtower is a liar! They themselves claim it is Jehovah leading them. This makes JEHOVAH a LIAR.
If Jehovah was really God He wouldn't let little children suffer. He even let His own son suffer horrible pains. Now that's what I call LOVE.
I heard a circuit-overseer say in a prayer during a cremation that Jehovah can't change His Plan because He has set times.
God has the power to stop at any time, change His plan any time. He does what He wants. This makes Him God
I myself don't know if God exists, in whatever form. What I do know is, that it cannot be the way the Watchtower depicts it.
The Watchtower is a selfish liar, and this makes JEHOVAH a sefish LIAR.
Andy
I want to say that this Thread is NOT about the Watchtower Society's version of God.
Their "god" is a false god.
This Thread is about the God of the Bible, the True God of Love and Grace and Mercy and Justice.
I also want to say that I completely understand and agree with everything you said about the Watchtower Society.
Just look at the other Threads I have started and you will see that I am trying hard to expose the Watchtower Society for what they truly are -- a Satanic False Religion from Hell!
Jesus Christ is the God of the Bible, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit!
Just read about Jesus Christ through the pages of the Bible, and you are reading about God.
The Watchtower Society has perverted and corrupted God and created their own "god" in their image!
clash_city_rockers,
I want to Thank You so much for posting that information on this Thread.
You have helped to clear up things for me.
Yes, I can see clearly now that being Born Again is done 100% by God's Grace!
Also, I definitely made a mistake when I said that God imputed "every person's sins" to Jesus Christ on the Cross, I should have said every one of the Elect's sins.
And, you are also very correct, I mistakenly did not mention that God imputes Jesus' righteousness to all of the Elect, so that then they are all washed white in the Blood of the Lamb, so they will be taken into to Heaven!
What I most look forward to in Heaven is being with the Lord always and forever.
I talk to the Lord everyday, and ever since God regenerated me, I can't explain how much better I feel and how much more love I have, compared to when I was a Watchtower Witness.
I do have a question, how would you recommend telling others about the Gospel?
This is a Thread I made before, trying to tell people about the Gospel: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36170&site=3
Love and Peace in Christ,
UnDisfellowshipped
Farkel,
First of all, I want to say, that I have often wondered about why all those diseases and germs exist, and also why mosquitos, ticks, leaches, etc. exist.
However, I must say that I really have no idea why they exist, but it doesn't change anything to do with my Faith in Christ Jesus my Lord, Savior, and God!
Whatever all those germs, diseases, etc. are here for, I put all my Faith and trust in God for my salvation.
Here are some questions to think about, though:
If there is no God:
Why do (most) humans have love for each other?
Why do (most) humans care what happens to other humans?
Why do (most) humans have a conscience?
Why do humans have so much more language capabilities, and brain size, than any animal on Earth?
Why do humans care whether or not another human is murdered, raped, or molested?
Why aren't we all just selfish jerks who look out for only ourselves and only care about survival and sex?
While I agree with the majority of what you have said, I think that being "born again" is a RESULT of putting your faith in Jesus Christ. I don't get the impression that you are FIRST born again, then have the desire to repent and follow Christ. I think Christ "calls" us to him, by whichever way he chooses, and our choosing to ask him for forgiveness and to be our Lord, we are accepting his FREE GIFT of salvation - and our new birth begins - we are dead to sin (the control it has over us and its penalty) and alive in Christ, (to share eternity with him). Regardless, the most important thing is putting your faith in Jesus Christ and what he did for us (which should manifest itself in love and good works).
For Gumby and Farkel, and anyone else who doesn't believe in the God of the Bible, or in his love, God tells us that it rains on the just and the unjust. He also has told us that life on earth would not be easy. But we are assured of an eternity that will be everything He originally designed - perfection. It was our own free will and the desire/pride of mankind to think of himself on an equal basis as God. All the heartache, injustice, pain, disease, etc. is the result of a fallen, sinful world, (I don't pretend to know the mind of God or understand why such horrible things are allow to happen), but I do know one thing - ALL OF US ARE SINNERS! JUST CHART YOUR THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS FOR A WEEK OR EVEN A DAY! Watch how often the "I" gets in the way of compromise, doing something for someone else, making "right" choices, etc., let alone the lying, steeling, killing, etc. that goes on. God sure can be an easy scape goat. Jesus himself felt physical pain, and emotional pain when the people he loved died, and he was WITHOUT SIN - yet he knows our pain and he cries with us. But he is also there in the midst of it all with us - just ask Lisa Beamer how she gets through the day. Ask a former drug addict who turned his or her life around how they find the strength. I wonder what your stories are?
