Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-12-2015 WT Study (FIGHT SATAN)

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  • blondie
    blondie

    Blondie’s Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-12-2015 WT Study (FIGHT SATAN)(May 15, 2015 issue)

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/

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    The WTS usually says the Devil’s main and sometimes only target are the anointed remnant and the “other sheep” are collateral damage because of their association with them.

    Short time? 101 years since 1914…how many left…19 more to 2034?

    *** w01 11/15 p. 16 par. 3 Jehovah Is Our Refuge ***

    The secret place of the Most High” is a figurative place of protection for us, and particularly for anointed ones, who are special targets of the Devil. (Revelation 12:15-17)

    ---Why other sheep and not great crowd? Not all other sheep are great crowd but all great crowd are other sheep….

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    Many—such people…any studies or surveys to narrow what many is? Or does the WTS toss the crap at everyone?

    Jws believe that pedophiles don’t exist in their organization but believe Satan does?

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    Servants of Jehovah? Not disciples of Christ—Christians? Divine providence (God) chose Jesus’ followers to be called….jws or Christians?

    (Acts 11:26) . . ., and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.

    Why would the first perfect woman talk to a snake?

    Where is the proof in this article that Satan began to wage war with the anointed in 1914? That the kingdom was born in 1914 not 33 C.E.? Was Satan not waging war with the anointed then?

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    Satan isn’t humble? What about the CO telling the elders that they are special, “gifts in men”, “mighty men”, that they get more holy spirit than the rank and file? Is that humble?

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    Who decides whose pride in themselves is good or bad? The elders?

    Have you seen this scripture applied improperly? Elders applying to the rank and file but not to themselves?

    (Luke 17:10) 10 So YOU, also, when YOU have done all the things assigned to YOU, say, ‘We are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done.’”

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    “Reject needed counsel” Do elders reject counsel…does counsel have to come from someone with higher authority…that is only elders can counsel elders?

    Abigail went over her husband’s head (Nabal) to show hospitality to David and save the lives of the household. She did not check with Nabal first.

    God counseled Cain but did God warn Abel his brother was thinking of killing him?

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    Racism in the WTS….heavens no, no pedophiles either. I remember the jws that told me, a white woman, should not be so desperate to marry a black brother, they’re not a smart as white people. Or the ones that would not work predominantly black neighborhoods, avoiding it when the conductor had such a territory by suddenly having a bible study that morning. Up until 1970’s black people were rarely depicted in the publications or were at Bethel.

    *** w73 12/1 p. 735 Questions From Readers ***

    ● What is the view of Jehovah’s witnesses toward interracial marriage?—France.

    In many areas interracial marriages are becoming increasingly common. People are traveling more, and often find the ways and customs of people of other lands attractive. War, too, has played a part, and many European and North American soldiers have married Asiatic wives. There is, then, a somewhat broadened viewpoint on the part of many toward interracial marriage.

    Nevertheless, not all persons share this broadened viewpoint, nor do all appreciate Bible standards. Many deep-seated prejudices remain in the world of mankind. A Christian, being realistic, must face life as it is—not as he wishes it might be.

    In a few places, there are even laws making interracial marriages illegal. When that is the case, Christians are under Scriptural obligation to obey them, as such laws do not make it impossible for them to worship God with “spirit and truth.” (John 4:24; Rom. 13:1) Of course, if a Christian would prefer to move to a locality where such laws are not enforced, he is certainly free to do so.

    In other communities, local prejudices produce discrimination and unkind treatment toward those of certain races of mankind. These prejudices do not make interracial marriage wrong. For the discerning Christian, nonetheless, they may give cause for thought as to the advisability of such marriage. No matter what the racial backgrounds of the mates, marriage of itself requires much adjustment on the part of both persons to be successful and to bring happiness. Human imperfection causes all marriages to bring some measure of ‘tribulation in the flesh,’ as the apostle Paul wisely points out. (1 Cor. 7:28) In certain localities, where racial prejudices are strong, this could put added strain on the marital relationship and could be especially trying for any children resulting. So the Christian should give thoughtful consideration to the probable consequences before entertaining the prospect of interracial marriage.

    Persons of different races may have very similar backgrounds, culturally, socially and as to education. Or their backgrounds may be very different. Sometimes the varied habits, attitudes and customs that go with different backgrounds seem to add interest to the marriage union. Yet widely differing backgrounds, even among marriage mates of the same race, can and sometimes do give rise to problems, making marital adjustment more difficult. In making his decision, the Christian should also rightly weigh these factors—for the other person’s happiness as well as his own.

    The Christian is under obligation to proclaim the good news of the Kingdom to others. (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20) As a factor, then, he may consider whether or not interracial marriage is likely to create a seriously adverse effect on the attitude of the people in his community toward this Kingdom-announcement work. The examples of Christ Jesus and his apostles show that they were willing to forgo things to which they had a right rather than severely hinder persons from being receptive to the truth of God’s Word.—Rom. 15:3; 1 Cor. 10:32, 33.

    However, after weighing all these factors thoughtfully, each Christian must make his own decision—in good conscience and motivated by love for God and for his neighbor.

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    Nevertheless, disputes between fellow believers, which sometimes start with pride, can spiral out of control.

    So is that the real issue but rather how the congregation handles it when it does happen? Do they ignore it and the elders tell the victim to “wait on God”?

    Can you think of grudges or fights in a congregation you attend(ed)? I know a sister and her daughter-in-law went 20 years not talking to each other and it was only possible because the congregation members played along with it.

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    How do or do the elders counsel members who feel superior? What about the COBOE that told the new elders that it was “his way or the highway”?

    I remember one elder changing the topic of the local needs talk to how some lighter skinned black people in the congregation thought they were better than the darker ones. Not BOE sanctioned. Eventually these 2 brothers were put in 2 different congregations, but their prejudice did not improve.

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    MATERIALISM—the ambiguous bugaboo the WTS uses to label people.

    So Abraham wasn’t wealthy

    Solomon wasn’t wealthy, or David

    Esther wasn’t a queen and Mordecai a wealthy government official

    Did Nicodemus or Joseph of Arimathea given away their wealth

    But who decides what is evil that the world offers…the WTS? When do material things start causing jws to neglect their worship? Why can one millionaire brother be held up as an example but a brother who misses meetings to get food for his family is taking what is evil?

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    Yes, the Bible does not say specifically what caused Demas to abandon Paul,

    *** it-1 p. 612 Demas ***

    The exact nature of Demas’ forsaking Paul ‘because of his love for the present system of things’ is not disclosed. The apostle does not say Demas became an apostate or opposer. Perhaps Demas’ love for material things and worldly pleasures became stronger than that for spiritual things. Fear of martyrdom with Paul may have caused Demas to seek a safer place and thus preserve his life in the then-existing system of things.

    *** w84 10/15 p. 13 par. 16 Beware of Your Adversary, the Devil! ***

    And no doubt the Devil used a love for material things and worldly pleasures to deflect Demas and other Christians from Jehovah’s service.

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    Normal desire to provide materially…….but…

    Jehovah wants us to live comfortably…but…

    Many think…who are the many?

    Slave exclusively for Riches…does that mean you can slave for riches but not “exclusively”

    Have you ever checked to see how often the WTS encourages jws to be friends of Jesus?

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    SEXUAL IMMORALITY

    Who is the actress….Goldie Hawn…an expert on marriage?

    Who is the actor.,..Brad Pitt…an expert on marriage?

    Why does the WTS leave out the names of their experts?

    Malign God’s gift of marriage….polygamy? WTS allowed polygamy among members until 1947.

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    SCHOOLMATES (under 18) sexting …tatamount to distributing child pornography

    Source of statistics: “Majority unmarried youths who lose their virginity say that they regret what they did”

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    So what are situations that lead to immorality….being alone at any time with any male…? Can be hard to get to know a future marriage mate.

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    Jesus …did not have to take time to weigh the pros and cons…what does that mean

    Do jws when they say it is written referring to the Bible or WTS publications?

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    Did Jesus say his followers would be hated on account of Jesus’ name or God’s?

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    Nothing can do us permanent harm…so jws can choose death assured that they will get their life back?

    Friends with whom Jesus or God?

    Yes Satan will live for another 1,000 years…to be allowed to hurt humans again, will perfects humans hear for a 1,000 years that the Devil is out to get them?

    Love, Blondie

  • hoser
    hoser

    They speculate about Demas forsaking Paul for materialism but it could have been that he wanted to get married or look after his aging mother. Dumbasses.

    My wife and I are getting the materialistic references lately because mrs hoser went to college and I work a LOT of overtime. The only reason we have to do this now is because we pi$$ed away our 20's and 30's on the watchtower pipe dream.

  • oppostate
    oppostate

    Every single stinking article they publish is just wrong on so many levels.

    Thanks Blondie for exposing the inane WT study articles as the written piece of rubbish that they are. Oh I wish your comments could be voiced during the WT study meeting!

    The WT study meeting compounds the WT stupidity of what they write because the loyal publishers are going to regurgitate the insanity and commend each other for their commenting.

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    I was cringing when they were discussing the issue of pride because Watchtower and JWs are one of the most disgustingly prideful organizations and people, on the planet. It's very telling that they omitted to discus the issue of religionism (the religious equivalent of racism - thinking of your religion as superior and all others are inferior)

    Jesus illustration of the arrogant pharisee and the lowly tax collector who went to the temple to pray, exposes the ugly religious pride of JWs and the organization. I believe that is why Luke 18:9-14 and the subject of religious haughtiness was not touched. I have actually heard a JW offering a public prayer at the meeting once where he said "We thank you Jehovah that we are not like the people in the world..."!!

  • hoser
    hoser
    The public talk today touched on how jay dub ministers don't have titles to raise themselves above the flock. Umm. What about aux pioneer, regular pioneer, elder, circuit overseer?
  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    Why are they fighting Satan, who is fighting against your enslavement? It is blatant within their own damnation book that joke-hova wanted to establish slavery for all "the nations", to destroy all "the nations" that are minding their own business. That thing still wants to enslave us all. Yet, the washtowel blames Satan for what the damnation book explicitly condones--with widespread references to "the nations" serving "God's chosen people". Banks usurping nations (Greece, Puerto Rico, and even China). Giant companies poisoning your food and water while suppressing anything that would have advanced us. (Taking control from when the cat lick church did this during the Dark Ages.) The ADL doing the cat lick church's job of suppressing open discussion on these matters. And they are blaming SATAN for this?

    And, most of their problems are results of their own policies. Throw away all your money, you won't have anything needed to prepare for a crisis. No flashlights and batteries for blackouts. No reserve supplies. No gold and silver for the coming financial crash. No fun for the children--if Satan wants your children to have an ice cream cone when it is 40 degrees C out, and joke-hova wants that ice cream money into the Worldwide Damnation Fund, who is it that really needs to be fought against? Who is trying to force damnation on mankind? Who is forcing that damnation book, full of lies and blatant philo-slavery, anti-women, homophobic smut, on people? Do you think Satan wants this smut to be out there, let alone used as guidance?

    Not to mention, I think most of my problems would have been solved or prevented had Satan and His Demons been with me through my life. Less Satan, less happiness. Less Satan, more deprivations and problems. Less Satan, less freedom in the long run. Why would anyone in their right mind want to fight against happiness, freedom, and being able to fix or prevent problems, unless they want the human race enslaved and damned?

  • 1Averagejoe
    1Averagejoe

    I just couldn't find a paragraph where I could comment on during the meetings without raising suspicions. So infuriating to hear misguided comments!

    Had done researsch on Demas.... He wasn't the only one who forsook Paul,

    2Tim1:15 "all the men in the( district of) Asia have turned away from me. Phygelus and Hermogenes are of this number."

    However so what, did Demas also forsake Christ? That scripture and others of Paul's letters would have been more specific if it was ment to be understood by readers thousands of years later thus avoiding wt's and followers unchecked conclusions about it.

    Pride? Materialism? Our wt conducter had been accused of fraud and found out only last year by a bible student. Still has his privileges. I noticed how that was not touched on during the materialism part...

    The Fraud topic was also skipped during the bible study material two week ago (Draw Close page 268) where again it was mentioned how it affects one having privileges. It's like ignore it and everyone will forget soon enough.

    Thanks blondie. Looking foward to your comments for next weeks article. "They saw things promised" by whom? Whose imaginary pictures are we going to be told to fantasize on as reality?

    I can't help feeling sorry for the old ones pictured in the coming study articles.

  • 1Averagejoe
    1Averagejoe

    WTwizard.... It's the wt using the same tricks thieves and magicians use of misdirection.

    Why do they not focus on the miserable failings within the organisation, put that in the yearbook, instead of picking on the seemingly few "exemplary" ones since they recognize the bible writters were honest and recorded good and the bad.

    According to wikipedia misdirection..

    is a form of deception in which the attention of an audience is focused on one thing in order to distract its attention from another. "The central secret of conjuring...is a manipulation of interest." (Henry Hay, The Amateur Magicians Handbook, pg. 2, copyright 1972).


    Your comment. I think most of my problems would have been solved or prevented had Satan and His Demons been with me through my life.

    Reminds me of the Billy Joel song...

    They say there's a heaven for those who will wait
    Some say it's better but I say it ain't
    I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
    The sinners are much more fun...
    You know that only the good die young.

  • datto
    datto

    I'm not a JW but out of curiosity and I find the topic "you can fight satan - and win" is so interesting, so I decided to join their meeting yesterday to find out what's going on.

    First thing first, i'm not a believer of Satan's existence, however they have their answer in that brochure that says it is always satan's plan to hide himself so that we, the dumb human will easily be fooled by him. I don't really care about this, there is a sub-topic that raised more questions in my head.

    Avoid Materialism and Love for the World

    I think supposedly they are trying to say "avoid materialism and avoid love for the world".

    Avoid materialism - ok fair enough, we all know sometimes materialism can really make people mad. However materialism is not all bad in my opinion. It has its own pros & cons like everything else.

    Avoid love for the world - this is where i had a BIG question mark. THE WORLD? are they serious? do they mean the world as in the entire universe and everything in it including the Milky Way, our solar system, the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, mother nature & the animals (not forgetting that we are also animals and we are part of the world too). Do they really mean that? Does John 2:15, 16 really means that? if yes, WOW!!! who is the all-time chart topper when we talk about jealousy? Then the brochure says "Of course, not everything the world offers is evil. However, we should expect that Satan would use his world to exploit our desires and try to induce us to sin or to develop love for the world and neglect our worship of Jehovah". Is this statements from the bible too? where?

    In fact, above is just a very small potion that I would like to question. There are many other stuff that I find worth asking for example racism. Thanks to Blondie for listing out plenty of'em. In the very short 90 minutes meeting, I have really learned a lot about them. I could see how small kids are tough to be actively involved in their activities and how they input their so called teachings into their kids brain well before the young brains have the power of reasoning. I could see how much they hate and laughed at their imaginary character called Satan. I could as well see there are many professionals (engineers, doctors, etc) who accepts 120% not only whatever is written in the bible, they accept 120% whatever is written by WTS too. Oh correct me if I'm wrong. their bibles are published by WTS too right?

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Thank you Blondie:

    par.18 ..." Satan will live for another 1,000 years ....to be allowed to hurt humans again ." ? What`s wrong with this picture .?

    Oh ,thank you Jehovah , 6,000 years ago you gave a rebuke to Satan for misleading mankind into disobeying/sin , against God .

    The punishment you meet out to naive humans for disobeying your word by a manipulator is in no way comparable to the punishment given out to the instigator , who is by all accounts gotten off Scot Free .

    Apparently Satan never experienced any imperfections for his rebellion against the Almighty God Jehovah ,he never suffered any afflictions to his spirit body , why , he could even front the Almighty on his throne thousands of years later when GOD offered up Job as a challenge to him .Talking to him one on one .

    Humans have suffered and will continually suffer every indignity under the sun , I do not have to list them all you know too well what they are

    .However the GOD of Justice Truth and righteousness , let`s the instigator of this rebellion against GOD`s authourity go virtually unpunished for 7,000 years at least., makes you wonder doesn`t it ?

    smiddy

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