Hoob,
Any sort of input that your body registers is information. Be it xldfjslfjasfjsd;kfjsdlf or 'Today it's 65 degrees". Our minds analize xldfjslfjasfjsd and determine that it is useless information so we ingnore it, but it is still Information.
Evolution or creation?
by haujobbz 155 Replies latest jw friends
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sleepy
Yawn ,Sleepy awakes from his slumber.
Just wanted to throw this in.
I have no problem with evolutionary theory ,it describes who we see nature working today , and assumes this carries back down into the distant past , without much interference.Thats ok, but a few things niggle me.
Lets take for example the evolution of speech.
It has been said that evolution of speech must have taken a very long time to occour and was very gradual process.
A little bit at a time over millions of years . First a grunt ,then a cry until we have the flipping Oxford dictionary on English words.
So obviously by the time people could talk fluidly like today, they were very different to the non-talking creatures they came from to such an extent they we didnt know we related to the animals but were a higher being.
Lets consider issues about proving this.
Can anyone show what the many thousands of stages of speech would be if it has developed very slowly over thousands and thousands of years?How each stage would be an advantage and of what use they would be to an undeveloped people and civilitation.
Regarding the "chance" changes in the human brain that would have taken place and the nerve and mucle centres that control speech can they show that many small alterations and defects to the speech centres in the brain today only result in little changes in speaking ability and comprehension?
Do current well known defects and damage to the brain result in only small differences in speech patterns?
What numerous small changes to speech centres would be continually advantageous to human-like creatures but not so small that they would not make a difference ,and how many of these are divisible into thousands and thousands of years?
If changes are small how are how are they an advantage and what prevents digression back to previous states?
What types of environment could only direct these changes in the human line not others?
What types of environments are needed to select small changes continually and causes extinction of other related species without these advantages in their family line?
In fact theses question can apply to all the brain functions we have.
I'm not saying that any of this proves it didn't happen that way .But at the moment a lot of our statements about how evolution works and what has happened biologically in the past are conjecture based on neat models that are not fully proved to have worked uniformly through out the entire history of earth.
Through out the last few hundred year scientist have gone through many models as regard the way atoms and the universe works. They have tested models and as evidence has become easier to find due to better technology they have had to revise their models to continually fit in.
Often very small measurements were needed in order to show a current model to be flawed.
Physicists have had the luxury of being able to test out many of there ideas and to view the universe with ever greater clarity. Looking back in time and looking into the micro world.
The same has not been so true with looking back into earths evolutionary past. It is not so easy to measure this past as much of it no longer remains.
We can only build a picture with a the few remains around today.
How do we know that current models really work unless they can be fully tested?
Should we be so confident that are current ideas are so correct?
This does not mean that we should invoke some God or other as a cause but that we should continually question what we think we know and ask why and how do we know it?
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julien
You guys are wasting time posting links for pomegranet -- he has been on here arguing against his evolution-strawman for months - I have seen countless posts directing him to talk-origins or other sites which pom has never read. (Even links just so he can get the proper definitions of what he is arguing against!) I have seen countless questions or rebuttals posed to him which he sidesteps or ignores. This is always the case with creationists. Pom is particularly amusing.. he is almost a charicature of a creationist.
Anyone who really wants to learn about evolution will find their way to the right resources and learn. Type in evolution to google and you'll get 6 months of reading material.
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julien
hoob:
DNA is like a string of protein recipes. The chain of molecules in a gene [recipe] is used to build a protein.
Think of a cooking recipe. You take certain QUANTITIES of certain INGREDIENTS doing certain MIXING, HEATING, COOLING etc. Mutate any of these aspects (change quantity, change an ingredient, duplicate a step, reverse something) and you are going to get a new result. Accumulate several of these and you most certainly have a new recipe. Mutations to DNA change the resulting proteins in the same way.
EVERYONE: If you haven't already, go and read the link JANH posted on page one of this god forsaken thread. Fascinating stuff.
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Realist
rem,
you are doing a great job! you really have a very good knowledge!
by the way, not to study biology wasn't such a bad decision...its damn hard to get a decent job with that!
realist
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Big Tex
We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books . It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranges and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations.
--Albert Einstein