Rejecting something due to unscriptural or pagan origins.....?

by stuckinarut2 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    So witnesses reject many practices or holidays due to their "unscriptural or pagan" origins.

    For example, Birthday celebrations, Mothers or Father's Day, Christmas etc....

    Most people in the world will say "but the origin doesn't matter anymore, we follow this custom now because it's a joyful occasion that creates happy times and brings the family together"

    But NO! It is still firmly rejected.

    So, if the wrong ORIGIN is SO important, and should result in rejecting something, why isn't the same principle applied to the actual Jehovah's Witness faith itself!?

    After all, the very foundation of the organisation was based on WRONG understandings of the bible, Far fetched teachings and doctrines, Links to false religious backgrounds, Pyramidology, False predictions, Inaccurate beliefs etc.....

    Using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how GOOD something is now, if the ORIGIN was faulty to begin with? Right?

  • zeb
    zeb

    "Using their reasoning, it doesn't matter how GOOD something is now, if the ORIGIN was faulty to begin with? Right?"

    This is one of the best postings I have seen.

  • Barrold Bonds
    Barrold Bonds

    There was a Watchtower maybe 10 years ago or so? It had two articles. One on wedding bands and one on birthdays. With weddings bands the article says that even though it did have pagan origins, because those pagan things aren't a thing anymore, it's just a custom now and it's ok.

    A few pages later, on birthdays, it totally flips that logic. Because birthdays are pagan in origin, they are wrong. That was one of the first things that really got me to starting waking up. A couple years at Bethel did it too lol.

  • Ding
    Ding

    Excellent point.

    Great point!

    Early WT publications used the symbol of Ra and the cross and crown. Its chronology was based on pyramidology, which Russell claimed was from God and Rutherford later denounced as satanic. Under Rutherford, they celebrated Christmas at Bethel.

    They pass this off as a period of Babylonish captivity in which pagan practices hadn't yet been abandoned by the organization. Isn't that an admission that much of the root of the WT was based in paganism?

    Why are JWs supposed to ignore what the organization was only 100 years ago but avoid birthdays and the cross because of something associated with Pharaoh or Nimrod thousands of years ago?

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    Excellent post
  • OneEyedJoe
    OneEyedJoe

    Sound logic. If only JWs actually knew what the IBSA originally taught. Most JWs think they were former catholics that were just slowly cleaning up their beliefs as they read the bible...they don't know about the pyramidology, the zionism, the wacky medical advice, etc, etc.

    It's all about information control. He who controls the past controls the present.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Your mistake is trying to make some sense out of something that was concocted by a bunch of senseless old fools.

    It's futile.

    Image result for beat head against wall

    Quit. You'll just cause yourself pain.

    Doc

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade

    Just one thing to add along with this excellent observation, why is it also considered apostasy to research in depth the origins of this religion, not the anecdotal white washed version they give today?

  • TerryWalstrom
    TerryWalstrom

    Most of the world most of the time throughout history was pagan. That includes the Jews.

    It's a simple fact.
    A good dictionary will tell you what that really meant. It meant you were a country bumpkin, living mostly outside of a big city.
    As city folk became more sophisticated, they looked down on those 'other' folks outside the gates. Being pagan would be the equivalent of saying "white trash" today smile emoticon
    Eventually, being pagan simply meant being anything other than Christian.

    JW's are poodles. They are lapdog narcissist Christians who think they are better than everybody else. It isn't surprising they have a long list of things which tick them off about everybody who ISN'T them.
    They obsess, They nitpick. They parade about in self-purity.

    Take, for example, the fetish obsession about THE CROSS. They reject it and pretend it wasn't used to execute Jesus by the Romans for the SILLY reason it is pagan.

    Well, Romans were pagan. How's that for a fact?

    What did you expect pagan Roman soldiers to do--ask the Rabbi which form of death he'd prefer?

    Chinese use chopsticks, Romans crucify with crosses, get over it.

    All JW contrarian nonsense is a peacock narcissism connected with showing off how holier-than-thou and special they imagine themselves to be.

    If they treated each other better and learned to love and care for their fellow man as much as they adore their self-righteousness they might be worth a bucket of warm spit.

    "We don't celebrate birthdays."
    Yeah--and you don't feed the hungry either.

    "We don't celebrate Christmas."
    Yeah--and you don't build hospitals, universities or women's shelters.

    "We're they only Christians who use Jehovah's name."
    Yeah--especially when predicting false Armageddon dates.

    "We go door to door just like Jesus commanded."
    Yeah--feeding goofy religious slop to unwary folks and calling it "food."

    PAGAN?
    You people have so many more important problems to worry about!
    Can you say: "Pedophilia"?

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother
    Awake 03 9/22 p22
    However, the missionaries may have been surprised (as we were) to find that the native people of Mexico already had a similar tradition. The Aztecs celebrated the birthday of Huitzilopochtli, their god of the sun and war, by placing a clay pot on a pole in his temple at the end of the year. The pot was adorned with colorful feathers and filled with tiny treasures. It was then broken with a stick, and the treasures that spilled out became an offering to the god’s image. The Maya also played a game in which blindfolded participants hit a clay pot suspended by a string.............................................
    ............When considering whether to include a piñata at a social gathering, Christians should be sensitive to the consciences of others. (1 Corinthians 10:31-33) A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues. The Bible says: “Let each one keep seeking, not his own advantage, but that of the other person.”—1 Corinthians 10:24.

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