im one that did both at the same time, i wanted to do the fade out but wasnt allowed to, elders asked the x what our problems were and she said that i drank too much soon after i was booted, elders on me commitee were ones i had problems with cuz i had too many questions and not enough respect for them,, the sad thing is i didnt want to get divorced, just wanted to get out of the borg, the marital problems were minor and could have been worked on, now 3 years later, the x is doing the fad out. so in a way i balme the divorce on the borg. but al least now we have burried the hacthet and are oble to talk as friends once in a while but h aving both happen at the same time put me through hell, wich i dont think i have recovered from yet it was very hard to deal with