Australian JW mother poisoned her children (page 2)

minimus

Sad story. Whether her upbringing was Witness, Mormon, Catholic or pagan, it's a sad story.

That's true, minimus, that it is a sad story no matter the religion. With my experience in helping people with problems caused or exacerbated by mental issues, I know that she would have been more likely to get the professional help she needed and still needs if she had not been a JW. In the same way elders do not encourage abused JWs to go to the authorities, the vast majority of elders do not encourage them to seek out professional help.

I watched the elders try to help a depressed sister who was suicidal. I suggested she seek professional help and was ripped to shreds for saying that the elders appointed by holy spirit could not handle it. One day after the meeting she went home and killed herself by staying in a running car in a closed garage. From that moment on, I always interfere and help people see their options, even going with them to the free mental health clinics.

I don't know the details of what the elders did in this case, but I do know that the average Catholic, Mormon, etc., has a better chance of getting outside help than the average JW.

minimus

In our Hall, the P.O. is an avid fan of therapy. He is an educated man that got counseled years ago for recommending people to get professional help. He's basically a caring, sensitive person. I think a third of our Hall has been to the "doctor". Not every Hall is the same. Maybe we were a bit unusual....BTW, I've got "a thing" about anyone who says they were raised as a Witness and they gain fame or notoriety. Automatically, they ARE JW's. I realize that because we are supposed to be problem free because of our special "knowledge", that all JW's are fair game, but remember not everyone's a JW that is purported to be. Everyone was saying how Biggie Smalls and some other gangster rappers were Witnesses. Their families may have been but they might not have been baptized JW's.

blondie

minimus, you are fortunate that a "qualified, licensed" elder is in your congregation. Too many congregations have elders that took Psychology 101 20 years ago and think they are experts or believe that the agenda of every worldly psychologist/psychiatrist/counselor is to get the person 'out of the truth.'

As to whether this person is a JW or not, I guess that test should be made for every newspaper article or television program that has featured a JW in it that has been posted on this DB. Maybe none of them were JWs.

minimus

"Qualified, licensed elder"....priceless...lol....Keep 'em coming Blondie.

HoChiMin

There will always be some that go over the edge. Its good the kids survived, theyll need plenty of help.

Minimums;

I see you still like to defend your alma-mater:

BTW, I've got "a thing" about anyone who says they were raised as a Witness and they gain fame or notoriety. Automatically, they ARE JW's. I realize that because we are supposed to be problem free because of our special "knowledge", that all JW's are fair game, but remember not everyone's a JW that is purported to be.

You will find in most cases the kids are what their parents are no mater what their religion is or was. If you grow up Catholic for instance, and never attend church, they still call themselves Catholic. Are you going by the WT rules? Youre in till we say your not, but if you become known for ill repute you never were a member.

HCM

Edited by - HoChiMin on 18 October 2002 7:3:2

Scully

When I was ill (and, TH, "What a sick F@$K" is not an appropriate diagnosis) it took every ounce of strength to get myself to ask for help in the first place. When I did, the first person I spoke to was my family doctor. He recommended a psychiatrist who had expertise in treating postpartum depression. It took a while after that (and I was starting to feel better) before I confided in anyone at the KH, but when I did they treated us even worse than before - I got visits from people who I found out later were searching for evidence of demons!

The elders also gave us $h!t for putting our "trust" in "quack medicine" instead of using the theocratic cure for all problems: going out in service more frequently and prayer.

The unlicensed buggers who pretend to practice medicine are the "Sick F@$ks" imho.

Love, Scully

bittersweet

this is in response to frogit.The reason a woman in these types of cases are treated differently is because they have been diagnosed as having postpartum depression(or probably postpartum psychosis in these instances).A man cannot have this,so obviously would be treated differently.If a woman kills her children and is not suffering from this,she obviously would be treated differently.There are many stories in the media to support this.

any way,what a sad story,but thank goodness she got help before she went any further in her plan.

minimus

Yeah, Ho, and your point is?...My point is either you are a JW or not. Being raised a JW isn't the same as being raised and baptized.

HoChiMin

minimus;

I don't think you grasp how strong the WT control really is.

HCM

Australian JW mother poisoned her children

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