Bible Students Convention ......New Understanding of 607!!

by umbertoecho 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    In order to free myself from WT Chronology I did some independent research. An article that helped me a lot was “The Chronology of the Last Days of Judah: Two Apparent Discrepancies.” Journal of Biblical Literature, 101 (1982), pp. 57–73, by A. R Green. Two important sources for the last days of Judah are the Bible and the Babylonian Chronicles. I looked for common ground between the two and would work towards a mediating solution. The results were surprising. Here's a summary of what I found:

    The majority of scholars prefer secular chronology to Bible chronology. But is there really such a huge divide between the two? Are the differences not perhaps based on a misunderstanding, having to do with the “desolating of the land” and “serving the king of Babylon for seventy years” (Jer. 25:8, 9, 11)? Even the editor/redactor of the book of Daniel and Josephus would confuse Jeremiah’s words, assuming that the desolation of Jerusalem and surroundings would be 70 years in length. Theoretically, one should be able to add 70 years to Cyrus’ edict of 538 BCE, allowing one to arrive at 607 BCE (= 537 + 70). Daniel and his companions were deported during the third/fourth year of Jehoiakim, i.e., 605 BCE (Dan. 1:1; cf. 2 Kings 24:1, 2; Jer. 25:11; 46:2; 2 Chron. 36:23). This deportation would be followed by four major deportations (2 Kings 24:10-16; Jer. 52:28-30). Most scholars prefer 587/586 BCE as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem, in Nebuchadrezzar’s 18th year. Only after the last deportation, in Nebuchadrezzar’s 23rd year, would the land be truly desolate. However, should one connect the desolation of the land with seventy years of Babylonian rule? When one counts down 70 years from 605 BCE, one arrives at 535 BCE. According to Ezra (3:1) the Jews were already back in their homeland by 537 BCE, leaving us with a two year deficit. This can be made up by adding two years from Jehoiakim’s three year servitude, completing the full 70 year cycle (cf. 2 Kings 24:1, 2).

    The Society has followed a 1st Century Jewish interpretation of the events, harping on the destruction of Jerusalem and the desolation of the land. But if one reads Jeremiah concerning the 70 years, one quickly realizes that he prophesied about their 70 year servitude to the Babylonians, not about 70 years of desolation. Only after the final deportation, in Nebuchadrezzar's 23rd year, would the land be truly desolate. Certainly this was not even close to 70 years.

    I must admit, I haven't read "The Gentile Times Revisited," it's very expensive (over a hundred dollars on Amazon) but I'm sure he arrived at a similar conclusion. I don't want to bore you with the details, but if anyone is interested in some of the finer points, feel free to ask.

  • Calebs Airplane
    Calebs Airplane
    Zeb... it's "Gentile Times Reconsidered" (not "Revisited")...
  • Vidqun
    Vidqun
    Noted, and new it's $150 per book, somewhat inflated I'd say.
  • blondie
    blondie
    The Bible Students are not one big group/organization but as you see on the link above, each group is separate and autonomous and having varying degrees of acceptance of Russell's teachings.
  • sir82
    sir82

    Nebuchadnezzar took over the area in 605 BC…

    Well, 2 years off is better than 20!

    Actually, they ought to go with the 605 date. 2520 years later you get 1916, when Charles Russell died.

    <Cue spooky music>

  • LeeT
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  • Vidqun
    Vidqun
    Thanks, Lee. After a quick consideration of the chapter "The Seventy Years for Babylon," I am pleased to announce that I have reached a similar conclusion as he did. Poor Rolf Furuli, trying to prove the impossible. He should have stuck to critical, unbiased scholarship, and not the Society's hidden agenda.
  • dgeero
    dgeero
    Vidqun- If you do a search you can find a free pdf of the book rather easily.
  • oppostate
    oppostate

    The Bible Students General Convention in PA is very much like JW conventions, suited guys standing behind a podium talking iffy religious doctrine like it's God's pronouncement. The Dawn Bible Students are about as cultish as the WT, and yest, I'd even dare call them Russellites due to their insistence that somehow Russell was God's messenger.

    Then you have the non-cultish Free Bible Students who don't believe the 607bce date teaching and rejected all the Russell pyramidology crap.

    The Free Bible Students Conventions, held in Wenham MA, at Gordon College, are a much more informal affair, with lots of singing, and family focus, sessions for kids and break out / small group sessions where every one takes part. The Free Bible Students and Berean Bible Students broke away from Russell over a hundred years ago and have been holding these conventions all along once every year.

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