Scholar Touts Oldest Link to Jesus (page 2)

expatbrit

Rubbish. Eveyone knows Jesus is a Mexican name.

Expatbrit

Kenneson

Crownboy,

But there was a Peter and a John and a Luke and a James and a Barnabas, etc. before there was a Paul.

Moreover, Paul in Gal. 1:22 indicates that he was unknown personally to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. There were already, therefore, Christian churches before Paul even came on the scene, according to his own admission.

Kenneson

Crownboy,

Point of clarification. I should have put Christian in quotes "Christian." Believers in Christ did not receive that designation until Antioch.(Acts 11:26) The early followers of Jesus preferred to think and speak of themselves as "brothers," "disciples," "believers," "The Way," etc. Opinions vary as to who precisely coined the name "Christian," but it is thought that it originated with outsiders, perhaps the Roman police in Antioch or the pagan populace.

But the point I am making is that Paul acknowledges that there are churches of believers in Christ who did not know him personally.

Ginosko

Hi,

Maybe is more than 1 of 20 probability, because it might be very uncommon to have a brother named Jesus as important to be mentioned at the same time with the father when one is buried. I believe that this fact might not be common for the Jews. On the other hand, it might be very uncommon to have only one brother in the first century. Of course maybe more studies need to be maked to be sure.

I dont remember, who said something like: if there not God, be might need to invented him. I like Jesus personallity, if Mathew, John, Luke, Mark and Paul of Tarsus invented him they are collective genius. And I believe that if all people in earth tried to be as kindly as the biblical Jesus, this would be a better place to live. (I'm not apologizing any religion movement, I'm defending the biblical Jesus).

By the way the mormons book, and angel Moroni is a good example of invention of the last century with a lot of human advantage: historian and technology knowledge for example, but is very weak and short when anybody compares this book with the greek scriptures of the Bible.

Of course that are a lot of things that could be argued against me, for example: religion is the opium of the people. But I don't see Jesus as opium, I see him as a hope for the mankind, even if he was invented.

I prefer to believe in an historical Jesus, as maybe some of you prefer not to believe in an historical Jesus. But if we all tried to be as kindly as the "historial or invented" Jesus we all could be better friends.

SixofNine

NO! Dammit! the paper said 20. It's twenty !!!!!

maybe alot more.

lol

Ginosko

Hi SixofNine,

I read the article too, and yes it said 20. But I also studied probabilies in the college: the estimates depends of the proper point of view. I this case you need to evaluate the fact not only of how many James and Jesus brother and Joseph father could be, but how many James and Jesus (as important to be mentioned in the buried) and Joseph father could be. As I understand the article his last point of view was not considered in the probabilities estimate.

If I'm wrong, my apologies.

gumby

Lemaire estimates only 20 Jameses in Jerusalem during that era

How in the hell can you ESTIMATE how many men named James lived at that time, in that place? All records of that Era were destroyed of the Christians weren't they?. We have trouble believing the Bible because the original copies about Jesus were destroyed ....but will we believe an ESTIMATE of some man guessing about how many "James" existed back then.

This sounds like quite the find.....bigger than the shroud perhaps? I wonder if this will make the media.....big time?

Navigator

Gumby

Why doubt the estimate? He probably did a white pages seach on the Yahoo site for the period.

Ginosko

Hi Gumby,

I recognice that is dificult to make probabilities estimates, but it could be done.

Here is an exmple in which I'm assuming a lot of things, but I think that is not dead wrong.

Example: Jerusalem population in first century: 800,000

Males: 400,000

Life expectancy: 35 years

Males dead in a decade: 114,286

Males buried named James, considering one

male in 30 to be James named: 3,810

Whose father is named Joseph, considering

one male in 30 to be Joseph named: 127

Which had a brother named Jesus, considering

one male in 30 to be named Jesus but 5 brothers 21

That may be the reason of the article that call the evidence so perfect, because if we estimate James brothers named Jesus as important to be named in the buried the 1 in 20 may be one in one, and so we might have an historical probe of Jesus Christ. But I understand that maybe I'm making wrong estimates, and also that they nedd to make more research. Maybe some remember more probabilities than me and can help to make a better estimate.

Scholar Touts Oldest Link to Jesus

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