by Yerusalyim 34 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
Blue Saph said,
"The gripe I have about the GB is that they know they are lying and they continue to destroy lives and families. They also refuse to progress with the times. We do not see that within the Catholic Church. "
Blue, I'll give you credit for your faith in the Vatican. You're right up there with the JWs.
Good information Yer, thanks. I am also interesting in what is going on with the catholics. My dad's side of the family are all catholic and I was even baptized as a baby catholic. I have always admired my grandmothers faith. I remember as a child the priest, they called him "Father", was always around in times of sickness and just to drop by to say hi and visit. My grandmother was never absent from mass.
I do admire that at least the Catholic religion is ADMITTING there is a problem. That is the first step. Then as you pointed , that priest was removed until more is found out.
That is something the WT should have done when this first happend, at least admit to the massive problem it is , instead of making excuses , like it is just isolated cases. There may not be such anger if they would have only addressed the issue , and at least let the public know they will have no tolerance for this, and not attack the victims as they have.
Yerusalyim,
I think it was a good move on the bishops part. Now, I believe, the canon lawyers will have to be more involved. maybe even leading to changes in cannon law.
hi SixofNine,
I'm a catholic, who recently received the baptism of the holy spirit, I would like to say that I feal a sense of great shame, not about the "scandal"
(what ever that is), but about the acts of molestation perpetrated by priests and the way it has been handled in the past.
I understand that you can't get 3 people talking together without some politicks involved, even if it is only holding your tongue when you want to speak, but the time has come to put away politicks and cut off the offending arm, nothing short of this will stand.
As to the pope speaking infallible truth, he did that only 3 times. Some times I think the sects believe every thing the pope says and writes is to be considered infallible, like awake articles, but that's not the case at all.
I don't believe in the shroud or the new box found. I believe in the big bang and evolution. I love Mary but have no particular devotion to her, though I sometimes ask her to give my prayer to Jesus just in case he isn't listening to me, I know he loves our mother (mine as an adopted brother of Jesus). My beliefs on these subjects are completely acceptable by the church. There is a lot of miss information out there but this is accurate according to the catechism of the catholic church. all privet devotions are optional.
SHAME that is what I feal, doing the right thing now is good but nothing will change what has past. The future is ours to make and we will make it safe for kids. still that won't take my feelings of shame away.
I know this is a little muddy but I am L. D. and Christine isn't here to fix it. Sorry.
If you think I'm skirting anything let me know, it's not intentional, and I'll address it for you.
Interesting thread - but I'm actually working today - darn it. Will come back to it.
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SIX,
How would you have the church handle this SPECIFIC CASE differently?
willy nilly said:
" love Mary but have no particular devotion to her, though I sometimes ask her to give my prayer to Jesus just in case he isn't listening to me"
At least you're honest that Jesus just doesn't like listening to Catholics sometimes. LOL.
MegaDude,
Willy Nilly didn't say that, please give me credit for my quotes.
Your misrepresentation smacks of WT influence and mockery. You could be so much better then this.
I never said what Jesus likes, I would never be so vane. What I know is scripture said the lord heres the prayers of the righteous man. As to whether I am righteous or not only the lord can say.
Why do you say that Jesus doesn't like to listen to Catholics sometimes? Of course you are saying that Jesus does like listening to Catholics sometimes. But why, I never implied that at all, is it hate?
Why mock me? Why hold all that hate? why not respond to what is said without making stuff up?
I'm not looking for anyone to agree with me, only to present my perspective in hopes it might be useful to some. If you disagree that's fine but please don't make stuff up.
Willy,
the mere fact you would claim that Jesus wouldn't listen to you until he was henpecked by his mommie was very funny to me. That's all.
Again I didn't say he wouldn't, I said I don't know and neither do you. We think, we hope, but we don't know. Christians ask people all the time to pray for them and so do I, just in case it would help. but when I do it's funny and Jesus is being henpecked?
Are you claming that Mary henpecks Jesus, no just another dig I think.
I wont mention names but I will say this:
When a person can only poke fun it's usually because they do not know how to have a serious discussion or debate and are too lazy to find out facts but would rather throw out as many insults to win the argument. Those types of people already have their own minds made up anyway and will not read entire posts but only pick out a few words and take them out of context. So it's a waste of time.
I refuse to engage in those types of "conversations" and I recommend others do the same. If a person wants to respectfully debate or disagree, they will have to do so in a way that merits serious attention. Otherwise ... bug off!
PS: Six, you know I'm not talking about you!
Edited by - bluesapphire on 22 October 2002 23:19:28
