SHOULD THE HAITIANS BE ALLOWED TO STAY?

by Mary 33 Replies latest jw friends

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  WildHorses

  There are likely not enough jobs to go around for them

  Mulan,

  From what I've seen personally from Mexico's standpoint anyway. I don't blame them for wanting to come here. And there are enough jobs. If it were not for the mexican and hatians working in orange groves we would not be able to bring in the crops. Americans think that work is not good enough for them but the Mexicans and Hatians will work any job they can find just to servive.

  I'm not saying that they shouldn't be able to work other jobs but most of the time they are the onely ones who will do it. My first husband was a migrant worker and I used to go with him to Fl and Maryland to work in the orange and apple orchards and not once did I see an american working there.

  If I had to move out of the US in order to feed my children, I'd hope another country would allow us in.
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  D8TA

  There are a few people on this board I respect, and I don't expect respect from anyone.

  I've stated what I've said and stand by my words. But for respect I have for Mulan and her family, I will "settle" down.

  There is nothing in this world that will spin me in to a more angry tyraid then this topic. Not even my old life when I was in the WTBTS gets me cookin like this topic.

  After spending time in the Favellas of Brazil and seeing how opressed people live, how they are treated like cattle, how they starve, the living conditions in which they live, how they are murdered, and it's NOT a lifestyle CHOICE... how they DREAM of coming to this country...no matter what it takes...and there are those here they say "send them back" or "they are not welcome in the U.S.A."....pisses me off!

  You want to see where I'm coming from....go to a Latin American country for a visit. Not your Hotel/Club Med/Resort/Copacabana vacation...I'm talking about IMMERSING yourself in the culture, going to the real down and out poverty areas. Spend a few months with those people. LIVE with those people. Then come back, and see if you say "send them back".

  Then again, many of us from the U.S.A. don't truly understand to live in a society of opression. Where the best you can do is sell gum on the street corner to feed your children, or pay for an operation, or try to get ahead...because the rich political elite like to stay in power and control. That soon as someone WHISPERS the words of change in those type of countries, inherit a crap load of problems such as having their entire family murdered ...because they rocked the boat.

  All I see here is, a lot of ignorance.

  Hope you enjoy sleeping in your nice comfy beds tonight, while watching your Will & Grace episodes, knowing you will be showing up for that "job" tomorrow. Hope you truly appreciate it. Hope you truly enjoy that life goes pretty damn good for you over all.

  Then again, one day that may just end. One day, it will be you who will find yourself in the same "boat" ( no pun intended ) as those Haitians, and when you need something....somebody denies it for the same exact arguments you presented here.
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  Intuit39

  I don't often get in on these discussions..maybe if I ever actually introduce myself, you'll understand better why....

  But I have to comment on the general ignorance displayed in this thread.

  Firstly, though, my answer to the question: NO, send them back. Yes, there are legal ways to seek your fortune in the US.

  Next, the shallow understanding of history and world events displayed on this board is (pathetic) just like that displayed by the average person on the street or my place of business. Welcome to America. US/British/French meddling in everyone else's business is a major factor in the pitiful state of affairs found in most Third World nations. To fully understand how our nearest international neighbors: Haiti and Cuba, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc, could continue to be Third World countries as we continue to enjoy relative luxury, you would have to understand (deeply, thoroughly) why areas like Trenton, Cincinnati, Detroit, DC, Compton, etc (ad nauseum) continue to muck their way through all the problems caused by the economics of greed.

  Back to the question of legal immigration, the US government holds a lottery every year for 50,000 immigrant visas. Compared to the millions who apply for entry every year, this is a small number. What is interesting, though, is that we do this to deliberately attract skilled labor from all regions of the earth. Yep, the US still needs people who will work. Check it out: http://travel.state.gov/DV2004.html

  To anyone ignorant enough to believe that immigrants take anybody else's job or sit around on welfare, ok well I don't have much to say to you...

  Later.
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  kelsey007

  Should people from Kentucky be allowed to stay?
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  D8TA

  This subject is a primary governing passion of mine. Hard to believe, by the amount of insensitivity I've displayed on the board with my posts, THIS subject I am VERY sensitive with. Other then the 2 weeks I spent with Naeblis, this is what I did: I teach english in Rio de Janeiro as a primary way to earn income. When I'm not teaching, I'm up in the favellas aiding and assisting various volunteer groups to provide food, water, and medical help to those who have no means to afford it. These favellas are nothing more then domestic war grounds for the drug lords. The risk for a "gringo americano" to this, means practically risking my life to even set foot in to such territory. For if I do not show favor for the surrounding territories of the respective drug lords, they become insulted...and there is nothing more then proving a political point as to the murder of a U.S. citizen in their streets. In short, I put my life on the line for the people who are caught in the middle. Each day I enter and become acquainted with a family, I get attached to them. The culture, although oppressed and one of poverty, still holds to a very warm atmosphere and acceptance. These people consider you a part of their family when you are introduced in to their world. Out of the hundreds of people I've come to know, 99% of their dreams are to come to the U.S.A. Perhaps a hand full, have express other desires. But to those who dream, I can tell by their eyes and expression, that THIS is more then a dream....it's a hope. Even the unselfish desire of offering their children a way to attain this, as many have requested that I personally adopt their offspring...knowing they may never see them again. One stand of ignorance I see in the States, is that of: "Why don't THEY do something about it"? In short, THEY have! Countless people have verbally express change or revolution. What happens? Government or drug lords murder the family, lay the bodies in the street as a lesson for those who have opinions of dissent. Just for having an opinion. The facts of life. You can't invite the entire 89% poverty population of Brazil (or any Latin-American country) in to the warm arms of this nation. But I think there is room enough for those few, who actually risk their lives to try to make it here. How many Cubans, Haitians, Columbians, etc. have come across on buckets only to be wiped out by the ocean and elements? More then those who make it to our shores. How many buy passage to be smuggled on boats, only to reach a neighboring Latin American country and are forced in to slavery? More then those who make it to our shores. How many get caught by their own domestic government, who prohibit their leaving, to be tortured and murdered? More then those who make to our shores. Why do they do it? Hope. Hope that there is perhaps some place in this world, where they have a chance of survival. That their family has a chance of survival. That their children...have that chance for survival. The "Send them Backs" For these types of people, some see them as sub-human in this nation. They'd like to rip the proverbial "welcome" mat from beneath their feet and say: "America is good enough for me and my family, but not you or your family". But, they enjoy the fringe benefits in which these people of such 3rd world countries provide when they are stuck there . The lower T.V. prices, cheap gasoline, clothing, and the list goes on. That's when these people are not a problem for Americans who say "send them back". Send them back to the menial hopeless life, so they can help you enjoy your nice S.U.V. and cup of Starbucks coffee. Send them back, so they can help you enjoy your shopping experience at Target and Wal-mart. Send them back, so they can provide the variety of cheap food available at your local Safeway. Send them back so you can get that nice pair of Nikes for your feet. There is room enough for those few who are lucky enough to reach our shores. Those people are entitled to the same type of hope and dreams in which you citizens of the U.S. enjoy everyday. They are entitled to the equal opportunity to pursue their hopes, their dreams. Everybody here, who is not of pure Native American birth...has descended from a family who came to this land with exact same hopes and dreams as the current immigrants...legal or otherwise. Thank You founding fathers of this great nation. Thank YOU for seeing that there be people who believe this land is only entitled for themselves and their families, and that no one else has the right. Thank You, for setting up a system, that even though people didn't go exactly by the "laws and rules"...that they have a chance at their dreams and hopes. Let them stay. . .and welcome to AMERICA.
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  A Paduan

  Only if they are treated decently - best not confuse them with ideas about freedom and then have them enslaved to landlords, taxes, poverty and the oppression of not having natural resources - and so they enter a foreign world of being money handlers and living for the future, just to exist. They should know the truth about western existence and then be allowed to decide. As for not having enough to share with them - melt down some guns for scrap metal.
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  ashitaka

  D8ta-

  I wrote a long response to your tirade which no doubtedly would've started a nasty flame-war.

  All I want to say is that you've never lived in a neighborhood with Hatians, and if you ever did, you'd understand why I don't want them in my country. We were a mixed neighborhood, and white people, black people, hispanic people, had major problems with them. If you want to know what problems, email me.

  I see your point, and I have nothing against any other immigrants, as long as they work, and try to keep their place of residence well-kept. I'm not rich either. I had holes in my shoes when I was a kid, and went through ecnomic hard times like the rest of my neighborhood.

  ash

  p.s.-I don't go to starbucks or own an SUV. I've worked my ass off for a long time, and I don't need you to preach to me about the "elite' assholes....I know all about them. I was poor most of my life.
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  teenyuck

  Wait for armageddon....then they will all have the chance to come to America and help us lazy, we got here first, no idea how to live off the land folks (who don't work menial or service jobs, because we all know that only poor immigrants are up for those-I'll mention that to the black, white, latino women who are currently in those jobs). They can teach us how to farm and frolic with the animals in the new system. This proves why we need armageddon.

  I say open the boaders now....let anyone from any where come. We will find work for them. And if we can't, we can buy the drugs or other illegal stuff they sell. If we don't need what they offer, we will all support them somehow. That way we keep our capitalistic society and we all are employed; and we can all feel self-righteous that WE help anyone from any where. Then no one can say anything bad about the USA.

  We will learn to speak their language, rather than them learning english. Then we can explain how that since we have too many people and not enough people to pay taxes to support everyone and all the infrastructure required...perhaps they can tell us how to get back to our Motherland so we too can experience life the real way.

  I really am looking forward to the Muslims who want to come...they can teach us about repression and how we need to be destroyed. After they convert us to Islam that is. I can just taste the goat milk....I have a burqa on order.
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  MikeMusto

  Hey all!

  What would Christ say?

  m.m.
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  patio34

  The award for best reply goes to Bendrr, who said in part:

  there are laws that state how it should be done and those laws must be followed.

  Imo, nothing else needs to be said. If you have a problem with that, try to change the law. All else is superfluous.

  Pat