Hmmm, could we be seeing Rev 21:3-4 being fulfilled....
"ER" said it all!
by metatron 16 Replies latest jw friends
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PurpleV
I just hope the idiots who go on about how stem cell research is evil never have someone close to them die from something that could have been easily prevented with stem cell research.
AMEN!!! It's got to be the most promising thing I've ever heard of as far as cures for "myriads and myriads" (sorry!) of ailments. It would be such a waste and a pity for this to be blocked by some right-wing fanatic fundamentalist wanna-be Christians who will yet again invoke God's name to justify their asinine phony moralistic judgements.
I don't feel strongly about this or anything, you understand.
Witch, I thank you [bowing modestly] LOL
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PurpleV
Tashawaa, you're not really gonna make me go look that up, are you? :)
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RunningMan
Purple: You must have been out a long time, if you don't remember that scripture.
"And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes. And death will be no more. Neither will morning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."
And that quote is from memory.
It is the second most used JW scripture in the Bible, next to Matt 24:14, which I won't quote for you.
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PurpleV
LOL @ Runningman
Owww, the pain, the pain! I remember, I remember! Uncle! Thank you for not quoting the other one (THAT one I DO remember.)
Better watch out or I'll post the parody of the song of "Keep Your Eyes On the Prize" I wrote for another exjw forum. You won't get the tune out of your head for weeks! bwaa ha haaaa
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Grunt
I have mixed emotions about abortion rights. I am against abortion unless it is done before the ingredients become a child. Just when that is seems hard to define.
I have no such mixed emotions over stemcell research, it should be done with all the manpower and technology that we can devote to it. As I understand it just harvesting umbilical cords with their stemcells would supply a lot. Like the others on this board who think wonderful things are just ahead, I am amazed at how much they already do. Diabetics already have it so much better now than a few years back. So much has been done to help those afflicted with so many different problems. I think it is great. As for the money, hey, the money is nothing compared to the real relief offered to humans.When I look back at human history I am just grateful to live in a time when I can have glasses to read with! At forty I suddenly started having trouble trying to read a book up close. All those people for all those centuries who dealt with poor vision when it is so easily corrected, wow. I feel for them, and for those today who can't take avantage of such basics. Bring on the stemcells. One day we will feel the same way about the advantages they and things like them will have brought about.
Grunt
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Jesus Christ
Diabetics already have it so much better now than a few years back.
That's not really true. Some research towards islet cell transplasnts is going well but that's all the progress that's been made. Even if you do get a transplant you still have to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life and must live within a certain, relatively small, radius of the treatment center. Trust me, I've been diabetic for 20 years this month. In that time I've gone from checking to see how much sugar was in my blood a couple hours ago by peeing on a stick and then taking insulin that was pulled out of dead cows' pancreases to needing a very small droplet of blood to see exactly how much sugar is in my blood at that exact moment and then taking at least three shots a day of insulin artificially made that's based on human DNA and can be much quicker acting. I've also heard of a new watch that can determine how much sugar is in your blood without actually needing any but its large, bulky, ugly, can cause blistering, and only works in about half of the people who try it. They're nice improvements and have certainly made my life better (especially the more accurate testing and improved insuling response time) they're just rehashing the same technique. For true improvements in diabetes care you need a whole new approach.
There are one of two ways that can actually be a dramatic shift in treatment that shifts from just treating the symptoms to actually treating the disease. One is an artificial pancreas. The pancreas automaticaly detects how much sugar is in someone's blood and immediately releases fast acting insulin to reduce the blood sugar level. The downside to this is that its a more invassive procedure that requires much more major surgery and after its in you still have to have more insulin occasionaly inserted into it.
The truly promising treatment is based on human cloning. A doctor takes some of your DNA, inserts it into an egg and fertilzes it. Then once it gets to the stage where stem cells are available they are nutured into islet cells (the cells that produce insulin) and are treated in some way so that they won't immediately be destroyed by the immune system which is what causes juvenile diabetes. After that a local anethetic is administered and a large needle is inserted into the pancreas and the islet cells are inserted into the body. No anti-rejection drugs because the body won't attempt to reject itself. True, the cells are treated so that they won't be killed but that's it. One time, one procedure, 90% success rate in clinical trials. When we have this treatment widely available diabetes as we know it will not be nearly the widespread epidemic that it is today.
You want to have moral objections to cloning or stem cell research? Fine. Just don't expect me to sit back, bleed myself and inject myself at least three times a day, have muscle, eye, heart, and kidney diseases as well as die at an earlier age so that you can have a clean conscience about something that can be created in a lab so I won't have those same problems. Yes, treatment of diabetes is improving and is much better than it was 20 years ago but instead of just treating the symtoms I'd much rather have a cure of the cause.
Edited by - Jesus Christ on 9 November 2002 2:37:16