A few facts to ponder (page 2)

Nitty-Gritty

@ Memphis are you saying the FBI are "afraid" of religious institutions more than they are of the government? Because the FBI has investigated government insiders. There is nothing stopping the FBI from investigating WTS insiders. Or are you saying that they do not have the power to investigate a serious allegation? Do you think they could not find a legal loophole allowing them to do an investigation if they thought it was necessary?

freemindfade

In any event

Your question

Now you tell me, you big thinkers out there, why do you think the FBI really does not want to get involved?

Who/what does the FBI investigate?

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/what_we_investigate

Spies. Terrorists. Hackers. Pedophiles. Mobsters. Gang leaders and serial killers. We investigate them all, and many more besides.

The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations—which serve, as our mission states, “to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States.” We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law, and you can find the major ones below, grouped within our national security and criminal priorities. Also visit our Intelligence program site, which underpins and informs all our investigative programs.

Now no one has claimed that the Jehovah's Witness organization ARE pedophiles, they are also are not Spies, Terrorists, Hackers, Gang Leaders, or Serial Killers.

The real answer is there activity is not considered criminal (yet), I think most would agree its unethical and negligent in order to protect their own asses.

You know what also used to not be a criminal activity NittyGritty you stupid ass... SLAVERY. Thank YHWH we progress as a species right? Stop trying to make an apologist stance out of complete irrelevant non-issue

why don't you go FOAD. You disgust me, thanks b-bye

Saintbertholdt

"Or are you saying that they [the FBI] do not have the power to investigate a serious allegation?"

Pleas see my first comment.

the girl next door

Same straw man rubbish regurgitated from the JW apologist http://thirdwitness.com/childabuse/Database.html

freemindfade

NittyGritty you should be punished by sitting in a room with victims that are a result of the WTBTS negligence and explaining to all of them you insightful apologists rants.

sloppyjoe2

@nitty-gritty, when the dateline report came out so many years ago, a letter was read at the congregation level that it was all lies and to not believe or listen to it. That has been the stance by the organization ever since then. Every single person that has brought this issue up has always been accused of being an apostate and a liar. I get it, you're a JW and you support your organization and hate that anything negative is coming out of it, but guess what, people weren't lying. Australia has now shown that in their country there were people appointed who were already child molesters, people removed for child molestation and later reappointed, and there were over 1005 cases in a country with only 68,000 publishers in 65 years. Statistically that doesn't look good for what it must be like around the rest of the world.

You can try and make us the bad guy all you want but reality is, the organization was warned by bill bowen and others. The governing body chose to ignore them, and now they are getting egg on their face for it. The ENTIRE issue was always about protecting children. Why are we gloating, because the mentally diseased and lying charges by JWs have turned and bit the organization in the butt. We gloat because the organization deserves this UNTIL they actually change policy and protect children. The whole reason people never let up on child molestation for over a decade is for the protection of children. You should be ashamed for yourself for not looking into this much sooner than now.

One final thing to add, children finally being protected properly in the organization can only be credited to those who brought it to the proper authorities attention. That was not done by you or any other JW. For that matter if it had been left up to you or any other JW and the governing body, no child would ever get the proper protection they need. Since the organization and all JWs have repeatedly said they have the best policies in place. So when the time comes that all the children in the organization that you defend happens are better protected, thank those who were called mentally diseased, apostates, and liars by JWs for not letting it go.

AudeSapere

Nitty-Gritty wrote: "...Also, sorry to disappoint you, but most “worldly” people are not going to be “put off” by the JWs because of child molestation issues as they know this is prevalent in all society..."

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I agree with you on this point. Only the most naive person will believe they are completely immune to exposure to abusers and molesters.

The most off-putting part, however, is the absolute lack of compassion and the further victimization on the child by those in charge. Add to that the encouragement to *NOT* report the incident(s) to the police and you have a horrible psychological environment in a (church) community that is supposed to provide shelter and refuge on AT LEAST a spiritual/psychological/emotional level.

In other words, the way abuse reports are currently handled by the elders AFTER the report of abuse, heaps further abuse and then added isolation on the person who needs validation the most. This failure to respect and help 'heal' the victim in a *meaningful* way, is what is 'off-putting' to most rational people.

The 'handling' procedures and processes MUST change.

As with most traumatic events in people's lives, how the trauma is addressed AFTER the fact is often more impactful on an individual's future life and development than the actual trauma itself.

adopting a neutral tone except where it directly conflicts with the objectives of the state.

In other words the government does not care about child abuse right? Wrong. IF JWs were involved in criminal activity as you all insinuate then staying out of religions way would go out of the window.

but with conjecture there is the difficulty of probable cause

you've hit the nail on the head. All the discussions and criticism of how JWs handle child abuse are based on conjecture. And it is because of conjecture the government won't do anything.

A few facts to ponder

Nitty-Gritty

freemindfade

Saintbertholdt

the girl next door

freemindfade

sloppyjoe2

AudeSapere

freemindfade

cappytan

Nitty-Gritty

adopting a neutral tone except where it directly conflicts with the objectives of the state.

In other words the government does not care about child abuse right? Wrong. IF JWs were involved in criminal activity as you all insinuate then staying out of religions way would go out of the window.

but with conjecture there is the difficulty of probable cause

you've hit the nail on the head. All the discussions and criticism of how JWs handle child abuse are based on conjecture. And it is because of conjecture the government won't do anything.

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