by The Searcher 15 Replies latest watchtower scandals
The lawyer at the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!
Wonderful to see the Org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal Judicial Committee Hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!
From 43 minutes onward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV8ptogC6K0#t=2607
Can't wait to see how hard the ARC hits the Org in Australia - and "by extension" (TM) in Brooklyn et al!
These proceedings keep my interest so piqued just like the current Trey Gowdy video's in congress, and years back, the video's of the classic Anon Dude 2's apostasy trials which I was keeping up with in real time as they were being incrementally uploaded.
FASCINATING to watch talented people make the worms squirm in their seats.
What a lying POS elder. They dug around in this poor abused girls sex life for hours and he is making it out to be something *good*; all incriminating details can't be remembered and he never heard about her suicide attempt after they swept it all under the carpet.
For those who don't know: three people accuse someone for being a pedo. Pedo guy confess *IN FRONT OF THE ELDERS*. Brother shit-for-brains do nothing.
D. Ali says:
... we still need what God himself has outlined, even in any sin, serious sin, there must be two witnesses to that. So we - sorry, your Honour, but we can't ignore divine law.
And goes on:
Well, it is rational. Well, see, we believe, rationally, that divine law establishes - and it is a higher law in that respect - that from the time of Moses, for example, Deuteronomy, I believe, 19:15, establishes that even the most serious sin requires not one witness, but two, and coming into the first century that same law continued to apply. How can we ignore it?
So the bible doen't speak about "serious sin" in this rule:
(Deuteronomy 19:15) . . .No single witness may convict another for any error or any sin that he may commit. On the testimony of two witnesses or on the testimony of three witnesses the matter should be established.
But he does not speak about this divine law (Why god gave this law? Does he know, that a rape mostly has no second witness?):
(Deuteronomy 22:25-27) 25 “If, however, it is in the field that the man found the girl who was engaged, and the man grabbed hold of her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her must also die by himself, 26 and to the girl you must do nothing. The girl has no sin deserving of death, because just as when a man rises up against his fellowman and indeed murders him, even a soul, so it is with this case. 27 For it was in the field that he found her. The girl who was engaged screamed, but there was no one to rescue her.
A good evidence here, that this elder don't follow the bible. He follows man made rules.
A simple question by the judge would have destroyed the slimy elder's reasoning -
"This Commission is not discussing "religious sins": Do you think that Jehovah's Witness elders have the training, skills and qualifications necessary to investigate very serious, filthy criminal acts?"
It is stated that where the law is to report such matters then the elders abide by and do so and where the law does not require to report such matters they (the elders) do not do so, then the question is asked as to why they (the elders) don’t report these matters when it is not mandatory by the law…my question is why are there places that do not make it mandatory law to report all such cases???
I am not aware of any case where the WTS/GB/elders are said to be guilty of not reporting such matters in areas where it is mandatory to do so…so in that regard they have a 100% compliance record for reporting these cases to the law when it is mandatory to do so. So why should there not be an equal amount of out rage directed toward states/cities/countries, etc… that do not currently require cases to be reported???
People who say they care about protecting the children but have a ax to grind with the WTS/GB only focus in their crosshairs the WTS/GB/elders when speaking of being responsible for policies for protecting children but where are all the voices and rants condemning states/cities/countries, etc… where cases are not reported due to them not being states/cities/countries, etc…that mandate such???
If that were the case and that were done (mandate all) then based on the WTS/GB/elders record for reporting these cases… then there would be 100% compliance record for reporting these cases across the board.
It is stated that where the law is to report such matters then the elders abide by and do so and where the law does not require to report such matters they (the elders) do not do so, then the question is asked as to why they (the elders) don’t report these matters when it is not mandatory by the law…my question is why are there places that do not make it mandatory law to report all such cases???
Most places do have such laws at this point in time, but this case isn't about the legal system, but about Jehovah's Witnesses, and this is a discussion board about the Jehovah's Witnesses, not legal system. The Watchtower claims to be directed by God, so the question is why didn't the elders do the right thing and contact the police, even when not required to do so? If an elder was told that someone committed murder should he not contact the police? Common decency and morality should prompt any person to report criminal matters to the authorities. The JWs claim to obey Caesars law, they should have reported it even before the mandated reporting laws took effect.
I am not aware of any case where the WTS/GB/elders are said to be guilty of not reporting such matters in areas where it is mandatory to do so…so in that regard they have a 100% compliance record for reporting these cases to the law when it is mandatory to do so. So why should there not be an equal amount of out rage directed toward states/cities/countries, etc… that do not currently require cases to be reported???
So because you are not aware of it it couldn't have happened? That's laughable. I actually personally know of such cases. In any event, why does there have to be a law to make elders do the right thing? This is supposed to be an organization that is God's sole channel of communication with mankind, so why didn't God direct them here? In addition, the "outrage" is on them because they:
A) Codemned the Catholic church for hiding pedophile priests while pretending to all they didn't have any problem with child sex abuse,( or if they do just a tiny, tiny amount, very few, almost unheard of etc.) All while maintaining a database of 47,000 names of the accused.
B) Forced victims to confront their abusers, or accused them of immorality, or ignored them completely and discouraged victims and families from contacting the authorities.
C) Allowed child rapists to be reinstated into the congregation with no effort made to warn parents that there are pedophiles on the congregation and in many cases even allowed them to be reappointed as elders. Why would a man who raped a child ever be appointed as an elder?
Obviously the commission in Australia is outraged, so the question is not why we are outraged, but why aren't YOU outraged John Amos?
People who say they care about protecting the children but have a ax to grind with the WTS/GB only focus in their crosshairs the WTS/GB/elders when speaking of being responsible for policies for protecting children but where are all the voices and rants condemning states/cities/countries, etc… where cases are not reported due to them not being states/cities/countries, etc…that mandate such???
Again, this is not a legal discussion board. Why does the Watchtower only do the right thing when legally compelled to do so? Why do they treat child rape the same as any other sexual immorality? Why do they think elders, who have little education and no training in sex abuse, are qualified to determine if a child has been abused? If we have an axe to grind it's because we see innocent victims and what this organization has done to people, all while pretending they care about victims and hate child abuse. Their words say one thing, their actions say quite another. It's the lying and hypocrisy that is hard to take, especially from an organization that pretends to be the only true religion.
If that were the case and that were done (mandate all) then based on the WTS/GB/elders record for reporting these cases… then there would be 100% compliance record for reporting these cases across the board.
You are delusional that elders report abuse 100% of the time, they don't. From the many cases I have seen, sometimes they don't believe the child, or know the elder personally and can't believe they would do such a thing, or don't want or are not prepared to deal with it, and so they don't even form a JC, so no record whatsoever. My best friend accused her elder father of molesting her many years before, when she was a child. Not only did they not form a JC, she was threatened with being disfellowshipped herself if she talked about it. Who knows how many cases there are like that? The Watchtower knows good and well these policies aren't working, because they have paid out millions in settlements, but they stubbornly stick to their ridiculous two witness rule, based on one scripture in the bible. They could simply change policy and find another scripture to justify it, like any of their other doctrine flip flops, but they refuse to do so.
You have to ask yourself why that is
