If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to? (page 2)

OrphanCrow

Thanks, Litebrite! I spent half an hour looking for that part...it is priceless.

Can somebody cut that slice out for me? i would love to get that on my facebook feed. This is such an important piece of testimony that will get everybody's attention. I have friends that will pass that on.

Control: Really good point, he is speechless

Lol! That pause will go down in history I am sure! I laughed...and then I replayed it to time it. Damn....he got a full 9 seconds! Wow...in the film industry, a set shot rarely gets over three seconds! Hahaha! I wonder how long it would have went on if Stewart hadn't cut it off with another question!

I want to just kiss that Stewart! He is my hero. He has an amazing style and presence. Brilliant questioning. And Justice McClelland. Nothing slips by him. That man has class. I would love to shake his hand. He makes me smile. It was so much fun watching how he so handily exposed that little man's deceptivenes. Lol! He made Bowditch call his own wife a liar! And he chuckled about it. Heehee.

johnamos

Edit- I was writing this out after the post of the clip but by the time I now am sending it I see others have beat me to this. Anyway…

41:40 - 44:30 touches on the very point that you raise, however it is not accurate to view someone that gets disfellowshipped from the congregation and is then somehow sent out into the world and is then/now a threat. The risk was just the same to the worldly kids from this person while they were still part the congregation.

Also in this clip in that same time frame it touches on what I had mentioned on another thread. This lawyer (or whatever he is) makes the statement that it is not the practice of elder’s to inform the police/child protective services unless they are required by law.

So if they report cases when they are required by law and DO NOT report them when they are NOT required, they are not breaking any laws and should not be in a court of law. It can be said that they as the people they claim to be, that they have a moral responsibility to still report cases even thou they are not required by law, but as far as the law is concern in this matter (their policies) handling of child abuse cases, they are not breaking any laws and are not legally responsible. What needs to be addressed is why are there areas where it is not by law required to report such cases???

fastJehu

Wasanelder Once

They have no compunction about sending predators out in the world without warning them. The protection of the flock is done by merely banishing them with an option to return, but they can rape in the meantime? Does this show contempt of the Witnesses towards their neighbor? How can you do this and "love your neighbor as yourself"? What is your view of this?

They have learned from "the great teacher" - Jesus & his "father".

Jesus protected the heaven and removed satan into the circle of the earth.

And put it also into the bible:

(Revelation 12:12) 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”

truthseeker100

41:40 - 44:30 touches on the very point that you raise, however it is not accurate to view someone that gets disfellowshipped from the congregation and is then somehow is sent out into the world and is now a threat. The risk is just the same to the worldly kids from this person as it was before his getting disfellowshipped.

Deer in the headlights moment for sure! Worldly people don't need, protection from pedofiles, the worldly people are going to be destroyed anyway at Armageddon, every witness knows that.

I wonder what's going through their minds as they answer questions like that.

Witness My Fury

I think it's awesome they are getting their asses handed to them and so skilfully too...

OrphanCrow

johnamos: What needs to be addressed is why are there areas where it is not by law required to report such cases???

Yes. That is why it is important to give this as much coverage as possible. The changes that everybody wants comes from changing laws. That change comes from the public at large.

WintessMyFury: I think it's awesome they are getting their asses handed to them and so skilfully too...

Me too. Heehee.

And not just the little men on the stand. Haha! Justice McClelland made a complete fool out of the Watchtower lawyer. The WT team is grasping at straws and have no clue what they are doing. They have nothing to offer and when the WT mouthpiece handed him the photos of BCG's wedding, McCllelland had him groveling on the floor!!

The WT lawyer made a complete ass out of himself.

johnamos

Being that you bring up her wedding…why is it that he is asked what type of protection was offered to her as far as staying with different families and how soon she was able to do so and yet here she is suppose to have a fiancée during this time….where was he during this time???

Marvin Shilmer

If removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the Witnesses view of the world? They have no compunction about sending predators out in the world without warning them. The protection of the flock is done by merely banishing them with an option to return, but they can rape in the meantime? Does this show contempt of the Witnesses towards their neighbor? How can you do this and "love your neighbor as yourself"? What is your view of this?

I've said this for years, and will repeat it. It is patently absurd for Watchtower theology to suggest it offers protection to JW children in the presence of a known child molester and at the same time claim to love non-JW neighbors as it loves itself, that is knowing that it has no policy to automatically notify secular authorities of the known child molester.

In a sick ironic twist of things, the people Watchtower policy leaves vulnerable to known pedophiles are the same people Watchtower wants to embrace the religion!!!

breakfast of champions

I just thought this was an absolutely extraordinary point the commission made. They have skillfully tied the abuse cover-up to the JWs twisted worldview:

Sure we JWs will DF an abuser to "keep the congregation clean," but the rest of you "worldly people" are going to die at Armageddon anyway. Why in the hell should we care about you?

steve2

Lawyers used a similar vein of questioning when leading representatives of the Roman Catholic Church were summoned before the Courts when offending priests were moved to parishes far away from their home parish (where the offending occurred).

After acknowledging that the move would henceforth protect the children in the home parish, the lawyers asked, "Why have you done nothing to ensure and protect the safety of the children in the parish to which the priests have been sent?" Out of sight out of mind. Disfellowship the offenders but do not report them to the authorities. So, in theory you can now say the children in the home congregation are "safe" but you show absolutely no regard for the children who are not in the home congregation.

A case of strikingly similar myopia: The move was primarily to protect the church's reputation and had very little to do with child protection. Both the Roman Catholic Church and Jehovah's Witnesses have boradly similar power structures. The organization will be finding this far too close for comfort.

If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

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