Will U Cry For the Babies

by Farkel 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Forgot about this one I did about two years ago. Found it on Kent's site. Thanks Kent! It's for the newbies who care about babies:

    Will U Cry 4 the Babies? http://www.hourglass2.org/wwwboard/messages/304951.html

    Posted by Farkel on December 15, 2000 at 22:47:40

    The Watchtower Printing Corporation has created a serious dilemma for themselves with all of their statements over the decades by stating that only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses (loyal to the ever-changing WTS) and their unaccountable children will be saved at Armageddon. Accountable children of JW parents (as defined by the Watchtower Printing Corporation) will be toast if they are not baptized and toeing the Party line on that fateful day. I know this for a fact, because at the tender age of 12 and after years of indoctrination from the litterachure and the platform I was convinced I was accountable because I knew what was in store for me if I didnt become baptized: I would be worm-fodder because Armageddon was so close. I got baptized as a result of that fear. That was forty years ago and I am now a grandfather. Armageddon is "even closer, though. Phlooooooooot!

    Dubs will not generally tell the truth when they are confronted with the question, Do you believe that ONLY Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved at Armageddon? They always come up with some excuse like, Well, thats not for us to say. Only Jehovah can read hearts, even though their literature says exactly the opposite. When a dub makes that excuse and are then further questioned with, So does that mean you believe that some non-JWs will survive that battle?, they reply with Well, thats not for us to say. Typical doubletalk.

    In recent years the WT magazine has not been so bold in brazenly stating that faithful JWs will be the only ones saved, but they have not officially repudiated their position on it, either. That means it is still Official Watchtower Policy that ONLY loyal dubs are going to make it.

    This bothered me even as a child, and especially more so as I was forced to study that masterpiece of child-abuse known as From Paradise to Paradise Regained, which was released in 1958. What about those little innocent and helpless babies?, I thought. Have you ever asked a dub that question? I have. They are almost cavalier with their typical response, Well, their parents are accountable for them just as the parents of the Canaanites were accountable for their children. They say it so coldly, and in such a nonchalant manner. Never have I seen dubs who were asked that question get tears welled up in their eyes and start to cry and grieve over all of that slaughter of children who they believe will have no chance of choice themselves.

    Think about this: There will be millions of babies born on that fateful day of Armageddon, eyes not even opened, eager to suckle and take the first breaths of air in their pure, tiny lungs. At the end of the day, these babies and hundreds and hundreds upon millions like them will be fresh corpses, starting to rot and already being consumed by insects and birds. Dubs just dont seem to CARE about this very real reality in their wacky religious beliefs. Either they are so materialistic and only concerned about saving their own selfish butts and then grabbing the finest cars and homes after the battle, or they are so braindead from years of Watchtower indoctrination that they are numb to such carnage and the inherent unfairness of it all. Or both.

    Ive heard some pretty ridiculous explanations from dubs who at least attempt to rationalize the insanity of it all. One common one is that these children will be later resurrected. Then why would God cause them to suffer and die in the first place?, is my next question. Their answer? Well, if they all survived Armageddon, there wouldnt be enough people to take care of them, is one lame answer they give. How STUPID is your God that he has to kill hundreds of millions of children because he cant figure out a way to have them taken care of?, I ask. This God made the heavens and the earth, and every living thing. He made millions of super-powerful angels, and millions upon millions of galaxies each of which has billions of stars, he has the ability to make mortals immortal, and he cant even make baby-sitting arrangements for those children, and has to slaughter them because he cant figure that part out? Thats not only ridiculous, thats IDIOTIC!

    It gets worse. What about all the mentally-challenged people, especially severely retarded ones? Will they all get slaughtered because they didnt understand the dub message of salvation? Oh, that depends upon their parents, because like children, they are not accountable, dubs might say. Well, many of these severely retarded people are adults and even very old. Many of their parents have been dead for decades. Are these handicapped people going to get murdered by your God because their parents didnt accept the dub message decades ago before they died? Is that fair?

    What about the millions and millions of infants and toddlers who are in orphanages around the world and the only parents they have are the few who administer those orphanages. Are those relatively few administrators responsible for the eternal salvation for the millions and millions of children in their care? If so, is that fair? The children have no say in this. They are helpless and their eternal lives rest upon those administrators buying dub literature and toeing the dub line. Even if some of those administrators DO become dubs, how in the world can they provide Bible studies for the hundred-or-so kids in their care? How can they dress up a hundred kids and haul them to the meetings three times a week? How can they haul a hundred kids around for field service? If they dont do all of this, according to the WTS, the kids are fried.

    Now, if the WTS should ever come out and say, we believe that others who are not Jehovahs Witnesses will survive Armageddon, any reasonable person would say (including reasonable dub), then WHY IN THE HELL WOULD I EVER WANT TO BE A DUB?

    As I stated at the beginning, the WTS has created quite a dilemma for themselves with the belief that only their followers will be saved. They have not and will not address issues like the ones Ive brought up because the absurdity of this doctrine will soon come to light. When confronted with the inconvenient and barbaric facts that Ive mentioned, we can expect this standard answer:

    Trust in Jehovah.

    You bet I will, because I certainly cant trust your idiotic leaders with ANYTHING.

    Farkel

  • Simon
    Simon

    The other argument made is that Armageddon wouldn't come until everyone has heard the message.

    By that reasoning, it could never come.

    Every day, there are more people on the earth who have't heard about Jehovahs Witnesses ( a nice thought ... they are always shrinking relatively) or their wonderful 'message'.

    For the argument to make sense then A. would come straight away as delaying it means *more* people will be destroyed, not less. Hardly a loving god. But most likely a made up one.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Simon,

    : Every day, there are more people on the earth who have't heard about Jehovahs Witnesses ( a nice thought ... they are always shrinking relatively) or their wonderful 'message'.

    : For the argument to make sense then A. woudld come straight away as delaying it means *more* people will be destroyed, not less. Hardly a oving god. But most likely a made up one.

    If someone would actually take the time to compare the population growth in the world with the growth of dubs in the world, they would easily determine that the population is out-stripping dub growth so fast that literally millions are being born every day who MUST be destroyed at Armageddon according to dub doctrine.

    Every day God delays Armageddon, means that millions of people will die who would not have otherwise died had God just made Armageddon happen yesterday, the day before, the day before that, last week, last month, or last year. Or three thousand years ago.

    Apparently, according to the WTS, God wants to kill a whole BUNCH of MORE innocent people He wouldn't have had to kill had He acted sooner. Much sooner. Every day he postpones Watchtower Armageddon(tm) millions more are born for Him to kill.

    You simply cannot trust this God. He's sick. Or He is just so lazy he doesn't care. Either way, you simply cannot trust Him.

    Farkel

  • Tashawaa
    Tashawaa

    Thanks for the re-post Farkel. I enjoy reading your thoughts. When I was a kid, raised as a witness, this use to bother the hell out of me. Always did. The answers provided to my questions were as you described... and it never settled in me that all these people out there, raising their kids in their religions (Catholic, Jew, whatever) who "thought they had the true religion", were toast.

    Every day God delays Armageddon, means that millions of people will die who would not have otherwise died had God just made Armageddon happen yesterday, the day before, the day before that, last week, last month, or last year. Or three thousand years ago.

    Farkel, I use to think the above, and then when they would ask from the platform for us to raise our hand if we weren't "in the truth" 5, 10, 15 years ago - and how happy we should be that armeggedon didn't come because all those that raised their hands, wouldn't have been saved.

    &*$#*! - I use to think.... hmmm, what about all the df'd and da'd??? There are thousands being kicked out or leaving yearly and if it had come sooner... If armeggedon had come 5 years ago, I'd have made it - now, I'm worm feeder. Nice huh? But then I guess "Jah" knew my "heart condition" and held it off.

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    I remember when I was either in the Kindergarten or the first grade about the age of six that it occurred to me that all my classmates would soon die in Armageddon if I did not warn them. This caused quite an emotional dilemma for me because I was quite shy and was afraid to speak up.

    In retrospect, that was a pretty big emotional burden to place on a six year old.

  • Matty
    Matty

    NewYork44M, me too. That has brought back some bad childhood memories. Isn't that just so shocking to inflict those thoughts onto a child! Every so often I get little reminders like that that really impact on me when I look at them from my renewed perspective.

  • Dismembered
    Dismembered

    Farkel

    Excellent points made again. Very sobering indeed.

  • seven006
    seven006

    Simon you bring up a point that stuck me as odd when I did my two week consulting stint at Bethel. When asking the head of the graphics department about going out in service in New York he told me there were certain areas that the JW's did not go to like the South Bronx because of the danger there. I was always told that even the most remote places in the Amazon would hear the JW crap about the good news of the kingdom. After visiting Bethel and finding out that there are parts of New York that are just a few miles from their world headquarters that would not get the message I knew then the story about the Amazon was complete bullshit.

    You are right. If their statement about everyone hearing their message is true before Armageddon comes anyone who lives in the South Bronx service area knows it is all a lie.

    I'm still waiting to hear those rocks cry out.

    Dave

  • fairy
    fairy

    What about those little innocent and helpless babies?,

    their answer would be...."jehovah knows their heart"

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Yet another example of taking a clean simple Biblical statement, grinding it up through the mysterious WTS theological black box, and producing totally unpalatable sausage.

    "...Christ Jesus...gave himself as a ransom for all..." (1 Tim 2:5,6)

    ALL means ALL means ALL, notwithstanding the "many" of Matt 20:28.

    I refuse to believe in a God who allows destruction by coincidence.

    Craig

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