What did you do? (page 5)

claudia

Still, as far as going out and getting drunk with "wordly friends" I never had friends who were drunks until I associated with jws. That goes on plenty in the org. as you well know im sure. And it is swept under the rug in most cases.

jimmyjames

: Thought it would be "fun" to go and get drunk with worldly friends? Thought it would be cool to start smoking? ...You cheat on your wife or your husband? Fun to covet your neighbour's spouse? Or did you just decide to get a preview of what marriage is like, and get into some good pre-marital shagging?

Why bother to leave? You can do all these things and remain a JW in good standing.

claudia

Still, I was never baptised because of the bad behavior I saw there. I ran away! They still ask me to attend, and they are very ashamed of what I saw. So I was not kicked out in any way shape or form!!! Now I am back with my more decent friends, no not perfect just decent and honest.

d0rkyd00d

I don't know how anybody like yourself still could be so proud of the religion with the largest number of clinically depressed people on earth. Happiest organization? heh heh heh.....

hannibal

STILL,
IT SEEMS U HAVE STRUCK A NERVE. I MUST ADMITT I LIKE YOUR BOLDNESS ALTHOUGH MISGUIDED.
U TALKED OF J/WS NOT BEING FALSE PROFITS BECUASE THAY NEVER PREDICTED THINGS,THEY ONLY HAVE MISINTERPETTED ALREADY EXISISTING PROFECY.OK - IM JUST WONDERING HOW U CAME TO THIS CONCLUSION?
WHO IS A FALSE PROFIT TODAY THEN? ARE THERE ANY? I GUESS NOT.
DUET 18 SAYS THAT THOSE WHO PRESUME TO USE MY NAME AND THESE THING DONT COME TRUE,DID NOT ORIGIANATE FROM GOD,THESE ARE FALSE PROFITS AND WOE TO THOSES ONES.(TO THAT AFFECT)
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT 1914 IS THE END OF THE WORLD OR 1975?(ARE THESE PROFECYS MISITERPETTED?OUR ARE THESE SELF-MADE PROFECYES BACKED UP WITH SMOOTH DOUBLE TALK?)
2 PETER 1:20,21 SAYS THAT PROFECY IS BROUGHT ON BY HOLY SPIRIT.ARE THERE TWO TYPES OF HOLY SPIRIT? ONE HE USED TO WRITE THE BIBLE,FULFILL PROFECY AND THEN ANOTHER FOR RUNNING HIS "VISIBULE ORGANISATION ON EARTH"?HAVE U READ THE EXPAINATION IN THE REASONING BOOK?
WE HAVE GODS HOLY SPIRIT,BUT NEVER CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED?LOL
HOW DOES THAT FLY WITH 2 PETER 1:20,21?

ONE LAST THOUGHT,CAN U TELL ME WHY JESUS REBUCKED THE PHARASES?
THAY NEW THE LAW JESUS SAID,THAY PREACH LAND OVER SEA,THAY WERE HOLLIER THAN THOU.....SOUND FAMILIAR.THAY WERE ALL ABOUT SHOW.WHEN THAY CONFRONTED JESUS ABOUT WASHING HIS HANDS(WHICH WAS A MUST THAY THOUGHT)JESUS TOLD THEM THEY WERE MISSING THE WIGHTER MATTERS.KIND OF LIKE U AND THAT SMOKING THING,OR BEARD THING,OR I COULD GO ON FOR EVER THING.THEY COULD HAVE EASILY HAVE REASONED THAT,HAY ITS HEALTH TO WASH UR HANDS HOW COULD JESUS SAY THIS ISNT IMPORTANT,AND THAT WASNT HIS POINT,THE POINT WAS DID THAT REALLY GAIN THEM SALVATION?
WHAT U STIRRED UP WAS FUN READING AND AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE

YOUR FRIEND:)
THE BIBLE SAYS LOVE YOUR ENEMY

TR

Stillintheborg,

I left the borg on my own, and have never done anything wicked or immoral. Check the archives in the "sex" forum. You'll find some of our stories there. You sound like an elder in a judicial committee, wanting to know all of the "sordid" details.

I think you deserve the coveted "Head up the Ass" award normally reserved for Fred Hall.

Scorpion

TR,

I think Fred is looking for stillintheborg, or visaversa!

Carmel

Dear Still, (you note I refuse to acknowledge the sales organization you call the "truth" as being such)
I have had occasion to share this before to the incredulity of others but so be it. When I was coerced into being baptised on my 12th birthday, I was immensely dissapointed. Why? Well for a couple of years I was asking lots of questions about what I thought were contradictions in the bible stories told to us younguns. When I did I would get a stock answer that I was too young to understand or not yet spiritually mature. The clinker was that when I became a baptised, self-ordained minister, I would be able to understand. Well I guess you know what happened. The trite non-answer answers continued after I was dipped, dunked, whatever, and it annoyed the piss out of me. I was not a fornicator, a prevert, or wife cheater as your post would apply. I wanted to know the "truth" from those who claimed to have it! Isn't that a natural instinct? What is so wrong with asking challenging questions to those who claim to have all the right answers?

Of course as my persistence continued, I became marked by the Cong. Mins. who didn't like me or my questions. Told not to participate in the meetings except for giving the canned answers contained in the paragraph under consideration, I began asking people outside the "club". That's when my father was diciplined for my "life style". Lost his position as Literature Servant, he informed me that I would either keep my mouth shut or I was invited to leave. Now at 14 years of age that's quite an interesting concept. I chose to take up the challange and hit the road. Best decision I ever made. On my 15th birthday, I was informed by my parents that the congregation was taking steps to "protect itself" from my behavior. Leaving home and disobeying ones parents is a henious crime that the borg ego has to deal with quickly like removing a dangerous cancer. Within two weeks I recieve the "loving invitation" to meet with the select committee. (before the divine arrangement of elders)

I wrote back indicating my mutual disadmiration and shortly recived notice I was Df'd for "dissobedience to my parents and bringing shame on the name of Jehovah." I considered it my badge of honor and to this day feel it was a seminal decision not to be associated with a group of people that are so afraid of questions.

Hope I have added to your survey of the six million reasons to leave your "lover".

carmel

TR

JimmyJames,

Why bother to leave? You can do all these things and remain a JW in good standing.

That reminds me, in my town a JW slept with his own brother's wife. The offended JW put a few bullets in the windshield of his brother's car. The fornicating JW then ended up marrying his brothers wife.

I wonder what that wedding and reception was like.

TR

dedalus

Er, just to echo what others have said -- I think I actually did more drinking when I was a Witness. To be honest (not sarcastic), it was getting a little scary: at Witness "gatherings" I found I wasn't comfortable unless I had a few strong drinks, quickly. Otherwise I sat in the corner, forlorn and distant, usually because someone was spouting some nonsense I couldn't stomach.

Thing is, my Witness friends told me they liked me better when I'd been drinking. Admittedly, I became more animated, lighthearted, witty ... or it felt that way. My friends would fill and refill my glass. At the last Witness gathering we all walked to the beach, and no one thought it odd that I felt compelled to bring a bottle of rum, though I'd been drinking all afternoon. I don't even remember how the evening ended. The next day there were several e-mails about how funny I had been, but I don't know what I said or did.

It wasn't just me, though. Some of my friends got so drunk they missed Ministerial Servant Training school. One brother threw up in front of some children at a gathering -- he'd been doing shots of Bicardi 151. At my (ex) best friend's wedding, two elders, three ministerial servants (and yes, yours truly) urinated in the motel's inground swimming pool. Piss drunk, all of us.

And sex? My unmarried Witness brother's had it. His unmarried Witness best friend's had it. Every Witness couple my age had it before they were married. I don't have a problem with it, except you seem to think one needs to be an apostate to get away with this stuff.

Smoking? Yuck! Still, it didn't stop my Witness brother from doing it in high school.

So, I really don't know what the point of your post is. I'm not doing anything now that's not being done by Witnesses everywhere. And in my new (non-Witness) social environment, I don't feel the compulsion to drink as much, or at all. No need to obliterate consciousness, because, somehow, consciousness is more bearable when you're not a phoney.

Dedalus (hiccup!)

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