by ScoobySnax 32 Replies latest jw friends
Scooby, just for the record I don't bash Jws, I do bash child molesting and rape, if I ever did it was NEVER my intentions to do so. I understand your ponts but I now make it a point not to comment on subjects that are to touchy and personal here because I keep saying the wrong things when I do. I never want to hurt anyone especally those who have alreadly been hurt.
Peace James
Scooby, You are right. And so is JT. And so is RevMalk. And so is COMF. And the others. And me? Maybe. I might be. But, I lack the ability to see myself truly as others see me.
If I could have a wish granted it would be the best to you Scooby and to everyone else as well.
Ask yourself; Why are you here? That is what is right for you. That is how you will read what everyone else says. Here, the answers will come from you regardless of what other people say. Here mostly, no one knows what we do. They only know what we say. They are sometimes two different things.
Most of my issues here come from the logic of my last sentences. When the spirit of another is to deal you and others ill will you should stay clear of that spirit. You should warn others if they will listen. Here and in real life.
Just because the terrorists of 9/11 say that they did it for their god "Allah". That does not make it right. Just because JW's do other things to inflict pain and suffering on people in the name of their god "Jehovah." That does not make it OK to hurt people. If you consider saying that "bashing" JW's then I stand guilty.
Scooby,
You just don't get it, do you. JT put it so clearly, yet you refuse to acknowledge the obvious.
Example:
If all of us here at JW.com sat down at a giant conference table to talk, the discussion could and would include JWs. If a bunch of JWs sat down at a conference table, XJWs would be exluded. Clear enough?
See? You are here conversing with us. You are a JW, right? How many "real" JW forums on the net will let XJWs voice their opinion? None. Some rules I have read go something like this; "don't question the F&DS. It will not be tolerated". You don't see those kind of rules here, do you?
TR
Of course you are free to say what you like, but the conformity here mirrors that what you criticise the JWs for albeit in reverse,
You hit the nail on the head!! I get bashed all the time because i say things that don't go along with what the masses think.
You can;
A. Keep your Real thoughts to yourself and make lots of 'Quasi" friends here or
B. Say what you really think and make everyone hate you.
C. Leave
I chose B...I will always be true to myself...no matter what people call me!!
I'm not that needy to need cyber friends ( I have plenty of tangible friends)
I
Edited by - LuckyLucy on 20 November 2002 9:53:6
Scooby, don't you have a service meeting to go to or a return visit to bore someone with.
See? You are here conversing with us. You are a JW, right? How many "real" JW forums on the net will let XJWs voice their opinion? None. Some rules I have read go something like this; "don't question the F&DS. It will not be tolerated". You don't see those kind of rules here, do you?
Excellent point TR.
I'll agree that people here bash JW beliefs but they/we will also bash other beliefs. Just look at the recent heated discussion on the Holocaust. Jim took a lot of heat for his dumbass position. (Sorry Jim, just how I feel) But at least he was free to express his opinion. A few people here like the "power" of hiding behind a computer screen and making nasty comments. Personally, I try and reply in a way that is no different then if the person were standing right in front of me.
People seem to forget that this is just a web site. That's it. Who cares if so and so calls you a nasty name. Sheesh. If you feel that someone is constantly bashing you, just ignore them. I truly believe that if a JW comes to this forum and wants to discuss or debate certain WatchTower beliefs, he'll receive both sincere replies and some bashing. The question is, which one will they respond to? Many times JWs will add fuel to the fire by making their own degrading comments. I've seen it both ways.
Stick around for a while and you just might enjoy being here. It's much more then a "JW bashing session."
Scooby, I think it's largely your imagination that is causing you to see these two groups as 'the same'. Look again and more deeply.
As for me, I will quit bashing JWs when they no longer have the power and authority (and when they can no longer maintain the secrecy) to traumatize innocent children.
I hope that day comes soon.
I'm happy that most who come here PG can come and go as they like, back and forth, otherwise if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't be here....my post though wasn't about that.....like I said there only seems to be freedom and acceptance of speech here if you follow the "line". Of course you are free to say what you like, but the conformity here mirrors that what you criticise the JWs for albeit in reverse, there seems no room for anything but anti-JW views. Jehovahs Witnesses here are viewed as Apostates are at the Kingdom Hall, there is no difference as I see it. It just makes me wonder.....
To quote Jesus "You yourself said it". Come and go, say what you like, have your own opionions and voice them. Will you be 'attacked' (critized) for them? Probably. But you will not be shunned in an enforced manner. What does that mean? That means that no group or person will force everyone on this board to ignore you. Now, individuals may choose to ignore you, but that is their decision, just as in real life if you do not have something in common with a coworker, for example, you may not spend much time around them. (Of course, most commonly decent people would not ignore them to the point of blatent not speaking, they would still 'be nice' to them, greet, etc if they were together. But that's a side point)
Now, turn that around and tell your JW buddies that you do not think that the current understanding of the 'generation' teaching is very clear, and that you do not agree with it. What happens? You will find yourself without a social circle VERY quickly. Meet a fellow JW and watch the quick turn from you as they walk the other way so as to not have to face you, or the quick turn of the nose into the air. That's the JW reality.
As for 'no room for anything but anti-JW views' that is proved wrong by the fact that you are here speaking, and we are relpying. Doesn't mean we will agree with your ideas, but we will debate/discuss them. JWs will not even discuss anti-JW ideas. Try and post one on the witness discussion board and watch how fast it and your account disappears (assuming you pass the rigorous screen process it takes to even get an account).
I do not consider this site a "JW Bashing" site.
For many years any JW's that needed to express themselves about the negatives and wrong doings by the Leaders and their underlings could not feel free to do so without some sort of banishment/punishment/shunning etc.
This site allows anyone who has a difference of opinion regarding the teachings of the WTS or anyone who wants to point out the inequities and the morals of the WTS to do so.
What we should not do is verbally hurt individual JW's who are kind, sincere and loving. I know many that are and will continue to be that way. The fact that they do not see the errors of the WTS or refuse to acknowledge same is on them, not us.
Ronin1
Scooby said:
like I said there only seems to be freedom and acceptance of speech here if you follow the "line".
Sometimes people come here with their own agenda, their own pre-set "line", but mostly if you take what's written in these post as the writers views and get out of the pre-set agenda mode you will begin to understand a lot of what is written is NOT meant to change your views of the world as you know it but more to understand what the writer is going through. You even stated you understand that we are all healing at different stages. It's simply that simple.
Some of what is written is going to affect you in different ways during your "healing" period, the good thing here is that it can even be said without judgement, punnishment or for the most part slamming. I have considered that those who do the slamming have had a raw nerve exposed and are on their own mission and healing for them will eventually come. This provides a place for them to get a handle on their own progress. I have learned to understand it, not judge it and for the most part not disc it. Live and let live is my motto. Help when I can offer any advise, support where and what I can, otherwise reflect on what it means to me and how I can understand the writer better. The freedom is in the writing!
If you expect to find a "line" of comformity it's in your own mind, it's not here we are all just doing our best to understand the what's, how's and why's of our former life and some of us are trying to understand how to move on and how to understand this new found freedom of speach, thought and expression.
Keep it simple stupid!
bc
