unknown to me disassociation

by nightwarrior 26 Replies latest jw experiences

  • KAYTEE
    KAYTEE

    Nightwarrior,

    Your problem is obvious, it's the same as mine - you are obviously a man of principle. There's no room in the Organisation for people with principles.

    The apostle Paul wasn't a "yes" man, but it seems, to get on in the Organisation, you have to be just that.

    You are justified in feeling angry, but a cool head is certainly needed when dealing with these ones. Remember there's an old saying - "when the lion sits down for a meal with the lamb, only one of them enjoys the mint sauce" !!

    Oh, by the way, welcome to the board, we look forward to hearing from you again, keep us informed.

    KT

  • bigred
    bigred

    Mulan here..............using hubby's ID again. Ran out of posts.

    I was watching an old Law and Order episode on TV recently, and it dealt with a weird religious cult. One of the former members wanted to sue them for alienation of affection or something like that.The District Attorney pointed out to them that the Supreme Court upholds a religion's right to shun, kick out, get rid of, anyone they deem necessary to do it to. It falls under Freedom of Religion. They can't touch it. It's been tried. There have to be extenuating circumstances.

    With the Andersons, it has resulted in health problems so it adds a twist to their situation, and a possible reason to believe they can win a lawsuit.

    As regards a lawsuit about disassociation...........good luck. Seems doomed.

  • kelpie
    kelpie

    Welcome to the board nightwarrior and wife...

    I wish you all the best for the future battles and I am sorry to hear about what you had to go through. Please keep us posted because if 1 can succeed maybe we all can!

    Look forward to getting to know you both

    Regards Kelps

    edited to correct spelling

    Edited by - kelpie on 5 December 2002 18:6:20

  • nightwarrior
    nightwarrior

    Wow i must say i was a little shocked to find out from my wife that,there has been a little interest in shall i say my grave concerns,in the way in which elders ,in most congregations misshandle the flock ,in pursuit of nepotismn in most congregations ,thank you for your interest, heres a little about myself ,i am from London /England Great Britain,Have been a jehovahs wittness for around 20 years ,have 4 children,the youngest girl 13 years of age the youngest boy 14.and two older children both boys,some of my family are wittnesses as per my wifes family allso, i was not brought up as a wittness but my wife was,i originaly come from liverpool/ mywife from further up north. ........................I would say at this point in time that most of the wittnesses or those whom are members of the organization are in AWE of the elders,i allways saw them as ordinary men ,maybee that was my problem ,i respected the position some of them held,but not the men themselves,thats my personality THE SOCIETY are only interested in earning money and selling magazines hence they dont get involved in running the local congregations, they allow local elders to determine the running of the congregationthis i found out over the years,You bent elders if you read this have been expossed

    i feel that i cant sit back anymore and see the widows the orphans and new ones be mistreated and lead to the slaughter,i am one person whom is not afraid as well as a few honest hearted people ready to exopose them for what they are ,most of them are in league with satan but they dont recognize the harm they have done by there actions , the elderes represent the society the society is supposed to be gods representative on earth ,maybee they were but they have lost there way into commercialismn and business activities elders are accountable for all those whom have left the organization, but they still have a love for jehovah god or the creator as most people call him or her

    Refering back to the bible, and of course JEHOVAH GOD, We all have been brainwashed not to think for oneself,you are made to feel you are commiting a crime if you have differnt thoughts up on the scriptures,than those shown in the magazines,even now i feel a little disloyal to jehovah as i start to fight back or even worse have an opinion about right and wrong,firstly i say that right is right and wrong is wrong,but these men whom claim to serve god have there own interpretation on right & twisted wrong.s

    Dont think that you are BETRAYING JEHOVAH GOD,When you expose the dealings of the society bent & corrupt elders within all congregations,JEHOVAH is a god of truth ,therfore he seeks justice for you Jesus expossed the conduct of the saduces & pharissess,did he not ,this will give me the strength i need to open up a can of worms in england, which reads like sodom and gomorah

    Dont feel intimidated by the years you have either given or wasted within the congregation ,become strong in exposing the hypocrisy within the congregations,as peoples lives depend upon your coming forth now ,as we have all been hurt and abused by supposedly christian brothers,whom are even worse than those in the world so to speak,

    I Would like to bring to the attention of the authoritys, that in England as everwhere else,that PYRAMID selling is against the law,The society is supposed to be a charity(,Has charitable status )yet all members sign a invisable declaration of having to buy at least six sets of magazines every two weeks,some even more instructed to sell on the magazines at a profit of a few pence,to a third party,anyone will do,just get rid of them is the general feeling,as well as the bibles and all manner of other litterature,THE MEMBERS FOOT THE BILL

    i will now start a systematic exposure of bent & corrupt elders and the three in a bed romps/along with cheating lying presiding oveerseers /bullying/running of with studys wifes /paedofiles/sex romps/& more

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Some of the stories I read on this site are an eyeopener and real disgusting. Like having a second elder listening in secretly. That sucks. A guy posted on here a while back with his daughter in hospital and the dubs, including his dub ex wife, didnt even notify him before it was too late so he couldnt pump blood into her. The BASTARDS. Stuff like that SUCKS. I never heard of stuff like that till I came to this site. Stuff like that makes me HATE. Now all I got to do is pinpoint who needs hating and I'll be right.....

  • rebel
    rebel

    Nightwarrior,

    You can't live too far from me - I am in London.

    I would love to sue the elders in a particular congregation for what they did to a member of my family. I have taken so much crap from them over the years. When I really needed help and sympathy, all I got was the cold shoulder. Let me know how you get on. We may even know some of the same freaky elders etc.

  • bigred
    bigred

    Okay...........since you are in England, disregard what I said about the Supreme Court. Hopefully your laws are better and you can get some real justice.

    It seems to elude the courts here (justice, that is). The victims are treated like criminals and the criminals seem to have all the rights.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    It is true about the supreme court thing, however, i have heard that u can sue the individual elders. The society will not back the elders up-if a few peope sue and win-it will spread like wildfire and well , they will be a lot more careful.

    Edited by - wednesday on 5 December 2002 20:25:24

    Edited by - wednesday on 5 December 2002 20:26:27

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Nightwarrior wrote:

    Dont think that you are BETRAYING JEHOVAH GOD,When you expose the dealings of the society bent & corrupt elders within all congregations,JEHOVAH is a god of truth ,therfore he seeks justice for you Jesus expossed the conduct of the saduces & pharissess,did he not ,this will give me the strength i need to open up a can of worms in england, which reads like sodom and gomorah

    AMEN BROTHER!

    See, when Jesus dissed the Pharissess for being hyprocrites and called them brood of vipers and gave them a piece of his mind. He meant every word what he said.

    See, Jesus hates "RELIGION" and hates the word of it.

    That's the mission of Jesus, he wants to bring back the word "RELATIONSHIP". Not "RELIGION"

    Religon is full of traditions, rules and laws that is totally out of whack. God's not interested in any of that.

    God wants to have a personal one on one relationship with you. He don't want your money, he don't want your car, house and any worldly materials. He wants YOU!

    That's why we have the bible. He wants to talk to you personally and the bible has all that for you. And for you ALONE.

    Get a different bible. Try the New King James or the NIV. One of them works great.

    I got just one question for you, would God mislead you if you read the bible alone without the WT?

    Read the book of John. If you wanna know how much God loves you, it's all there.

    Brother, I don't know you, but guess what? I love you!

    You got all my love, hugs and prayers in the spirit.

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Leave the courts out of it, in my opinion. It's really hard to gain a meaningful victory in that arena over an organization that prides itself on its legal tradition.

    What I do recommend is activism. Protests, etc, outside conventions, literature handed out, press conferences about your allegations. The org is terrified of public opinion. To sue them is pointless and will bankrupt you without gaining you anything. If you can score a couple of hits on them in a court of law, you can count yourself lucky. But the court won't stop them from diffing you, or protect you from their prying eyes.

    Get down and dirty. fight them in the streets. I'm planning to stage a campaign this summer (won't say where, yet) that will throw the evidence of their corruption and abuse into the faces of all that are JW's.

    CZAR of the QWW-kicking class.

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