......and then of course, you went and edited your post, it sounds quite polite now!.....very clever!!
Danny, et al, I never claimed to have the answers
by Derrick 24 Replies latest jw friends
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deddaisy
clever? don't "presume to judge my motives" scoob. actually I wasn't being clever, I am copying a CD and slow in my response. quite innocent really. and as for nasty anger, I'm not in the least bit angry. that's why I deleted my last comment in my last response, I thought it may come across as if I were angry. actually I find many of these responses quite entertaining.
Like I said before, Derrick came across as this self-righteous, bias, judgmental person who was claiming everybody else was bias. I've heard enough of that garbage, so-called Christians hurling everyone else to hell while they're proclaiming that "though shall not judge." What do you and he want, for posters to pat the WTS on the back for its provided inspiration to the medical field when most posters believe it to be a farce? Get real, if most of the posters here admired the work of the WTS, they wouldn't be on an apostate site now would they? And speaking of apostates, the WTS warns its members about those that turn their backs on their religion as if they were the filth of the earth. Yet this statement that Derrick made could have easily been made by a Lutheran or member of any other religion, to the WTS. Because being any other religion, even the one that others have been baptized into is a major problem for the WTS. It sends its members to doors to make "apostates" out of the householders, while it claims that apostasy is the ultimate sin.
I accept many of the beliefs of the faith that I was baptized into without abandoning it wholesale and that seems to be a major problem with you guys.-----derrick
Edited by - deddaisy on 7 December 2002 22:38:25
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DannyBear
Derrick and associated 'cheerleader's' wearing pom pom's,
This is what you said:
***I appreciate your kind words toward others on this forum such as myself, thus demonstrating your complete lack of spiritually suffocating bias. It's obvious so many suffer deep seated biases, isn't it? Bias is often the byproduct of fattened egos. Little do they know these traits starve the soul of oxygen, preventing mental, emotional and spiritual growth. These traits smother the ability to think outside the box. Poisonous carbon monoxide is the main byproduct of this negativity, and we know what happens to those who breath its fumes, i.e., emotional retardation, loss of common sense and the ability to think logically, inability to clearly reason, and a host of spiritual maladies. It's truly a very sad situation, ScoobySnax! Let us pray that God helps reclaim these many lives who have succumbed to the spiritually depraved environment on the internet where people actually glamorize spiritual death and life outside of God's Kingdom. Many are discovering the hard way all glitters is not gold as these promoters promised them.***
Now lets all hear a cheer for Derrick, come on Friday, Scooby Do, where's You Know, Iam sure he could find something funny to laugh at, in this most defamatory commentary on the likes of poster's frequenting this forum.
Sure Derrick explain away your words, you can't and you know it. They stand as a testament to your perception of those not cheering your view.
Since you were to cowardly to post your comments in the thread in question, my next post will show my reply. Why you feel the need to draw such attention to yourself by starting these new threads is pretty indicative of your motive. You could have very easily responded to me and dedaisy, but you chose to brodcast your displeasure, by SHOUTING AT THE ENTIRE FORUM.
my response follows........
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DannyBear
***Derrick and Scooby,
Taking the 'high road' here in this place is easy for fella's like you. You slither around representing yourselves as jw's in one form or another, yet continue to post here on this nefarious 'apostate site'.
I tell you what, you two are really the epitime of self agrondizing con artists. You have convinced yourselves that you are better than the average jw, thus allowing you to ignore the advice and policy of the wtbs in seeking out association with vile apostates.
You utilize this forum for your own self promotion, yet when confronted with facts, questions, sincere observations, you simply ignore them. What two pompus self absorbed dingbats you really are.
Rick your above post betray's your angst, you just simply can't bear the fact, that you have no answers. All you want to do is present a your fairyland vision, of how YOU visualize it to be. Unable to face the reality, you look for any tidbit of 'positive' in a cess pool of pure caca!
You and your friend Scooby are not worth paying attention to. Take your judgemental attitude and spout it off at the local Kingdom Hall and see how long it takes for the elder's to throw you out on your ear!
Funny thing is you can spout off stuff like you just did, yet Simon will tolerate your foolishness.......hows that for a POSITIVE????????
Danny 'Fed up Class'***
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ScoobySnax
Well theres one thing we have in common deddaisy, I'm burning music too from Morpheous...... I can't answer for Derrick, I just found his post refreshing in that he questions the sometimes pack mentality that you get here, also a form of shunning and ridicule if you don't follow the un-written rules. I do however recognise and have to remember that this forum is for ex-witnesses on the whole (and some are very angry!) and that I come here of my own accord, so although at times I might raise my eyebrows and disagree entirely with what is posted, I usually let it go. I don't think Derrick is anymore self righteous, bias, judgemental or opinionated than the majority here, he just stands at a different angle from the majority, that doesn't make him wrong. Everyone who holds an opinion of whats right, and what they feel is right, could be accused of being the above from others who don't. For me, I'm inactive, and like to look around on the net to see "whats being said" if I disagree with you, it doesn't make me wrong either, of course you're entitled to disagree, and you are in good company here with many who will side with you. What's important is that you/others tend to condemn the JWs in that you were not allowed free expression in the KH if you disagreed, and were shunned if you didn't tow the line. Well it happens here too, almost in reverse. LOL ok lecture over, send me my pom-poms now
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Farkel
DerRick,
I don't read this board much, so please forgive me for not reading either your full post or the rest of this thread. I stopped here:
: You, Farkel and others continue to mete out unfair assessments of the position I have taken because it apparently is out of sync with your worldview.
What "unfair assessments of the position" you've "taken" have I made? Please be specific. I don't tolerate bullshit easily. Spell it out for me point-by-point and if I was wrong, I'll admit it and if I was right, you'll hear it from me.
I don't tolerate nonsense, but I'm a fair and honest man.
Farkel
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deddaisy
brother bop ain't got no soul........
just stacks of mags to place
he shoves them down the toilet bowl
before he checks his face....
elders gonna talk to him
tired of his trollin
and sister bops got his bags packed tight
her and the CO's goin bowlin.......
"Janis Joplin"
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Derrick
deddaisy wrote:Get real, if most of the posters here admired the work of the WTS, they wouldn't be on an apostate site now would they?
This is the exact problem. Looking at it from the standpoint of a JW who has just purchased a web television device from one of the competing manufacturers of these devices, hooked it up, activated it, and found this site or intuitively typed www.jehovahs-witness.com or similar in the URL field, this JW will first assume at the very least the site is a debate site comprised of both faithful partyline JWs and "opposers"! As they start to read the posts it starts to occur to them its the exact opposite of its domain name. (IOW, they might be puzzled that a site such as this has 'jehovahs-witness.com' and not 'ex-jehovahs-witness.com' as its domain name.) They might get hooked on the concept of witnessing on this site just as someone with a territory mostly comprised of diehard Born Again Christians might dig in their heels and decide to work that territory repeatedly to help bring as many souls "into the truth" as possible.
So your very premise that the composition of JWs versus ex-JWs as a determining factor on whether true JWs post on this site is fatally flawed. As a matter of fact, to test your premise one must ask if ANY poster is a true JW. Based on your premise, a true JW wouldn't be posting on this site, and therefore anyone on this site claiming to be a true JW is a liar. Obviously anyone on this site who attends KH meetings, goes out in field service and "admires" the work of the Watchtower Society in areas such as alternate medical treatment for blood (which is going to be a lifesaver to billions on this planet if there is ever an epidemic that contaminates the global blood supply), is going to automatic know your premise is false. They might not come out and post it because they might feel it's pointless to argue with anyone whose opinions seem to be set in stone. (I happen to think that articulating my opinion is not only my right as someone whose beliefs this site's domain name represents but more importantly, someone reading my posts might actually examine their beliefs and make positive adjustments even if not exactly along the lines of my own expressed beliefs. Everyone needs to constantly examine their beliefs, and keep making course corrections in their lives. Even if we're all on different roads, who says that only one road leads to the same destination? The many different religious books in the world and percentage of people who worship God who have never been visited by JWs or any other Christian religion are evidence that God is leading many people to Him through many culturally different avenues.)
Derrick
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Derrick
Farkel,
You're a "fair and honest man"? Who am I to judge you on that assertation? However, I do admire your resourcefulness in creating challenges such as this:
Farkel wrote:What "unfair assessments of the position" you've "taken" have I made? Please be specific. I don't tolerate bullshit easily. Spell it out for me point-by-point and if I was wrong, I'll admit it and if I was right, you'll hear it from me.
I doubt Simon or other readers would appreciate it if I performed a search for all posts to Derrick written by Farkel and then proceeded to copy every rebuttal you have made against any position I have taken in my several hundred posts to-date. Neither would I appreciate spending all day on this sunny Sunday citing the links to all those posts, especially knowing that you would simply reply by asking me to "be more specific"!
It is safe to state that you have made assessments on many positions that I have taken, and that all those assessments were against my stated positions. A more fair question for you to ask me is: "Of the 'assessments of the position' you've 'taken' that I have made, did you consider them all 'unfair' or are there any 'assessments' that I have made resulting in your reassessment of your position?" (In other words, do I disagree with everything you posted in rebuttal to my position, or did anything you've posted cause me to take another look at my beliefs?)
If you asked that question then the answer would be "yes"! In roughly about a quarter to a third of your rebuttals to my posts where I state my position or belief, I have given my original belief a second look. In about 10% of those instances I realized that I was wrong. And in half of the instances where I realized that I was wrong I responded by stating that you were right.
Obviously, Farkel, you're probably going to deny that I ever posted a followup agreeing with any rebuttal to my stated position or belief! If you demand that I prove this, I would have to sift through years of my posts to find these rare gems where I posted a followup agreement with a rebuttal you made. Life is too short, and I won't go back and do this.
However, you seem to imply that I consider every assessment you have made about my beliefs as "unfair," and you want proof that you were unfair. I'm not going to spend all day on this Sunday digging up your posts and then commenting on volumes of your comments in order to satisfy your demand for proof that anything you have posted to me is "unfair." The posts are there for everyone reading this to search themselves, if it's important for them to do so, and judge for themselves which replies you have made to me in rebuttal to my positions/beliefs are "unfair" or not. That is why I wanted to state that I didn't consider all of your rebuttals as "unfair," erroneous, and so forth.
Derrick
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kelpie
Shouldnt this be in the Adults/disagreements section????
Thats what it was created for Derrick