Why is it so easy to summon the Demons?

LyinEyes

I was thinking about this the other day, and really things just don't make sense to me since leaving the borg.

Being JW's we are told to fear the demons, they are there just to get us away from God. Don't buy from yard sales, don't watch demonized movies, don't look at porn because demons love that. Don't play with games, or have your fortune read , because you can summon the demons .

Why is it so easy to summon the wicked spirits and yet when we pray to God on our hands and knees we don't hear a word?

Maybe it is just me, maybe God does speak to others, or show some real power , but Ihavent really felt it. The good things that have happend to me , could have just happened anyway,not just because I prayed. Seems to me most of my prayers were really unanswered, or I was allowed to be "tested" ,to the full. Kind of like , being left alone to see how long I could take something.

The witnesses say that Jehovah blesses them all the time, with things like strength , good field service weather, a little window cleaning job to get them to the convention. But where are the real communication or Holy Spirit they preached so much?

Why does it seem that God ,Jesus or the angels do not help us, do not answer prayers with a soft voice, do not give us a little show of their true power?

It is strange to me, because a couple of times in my life, I had things happen to me that could only be explained as some kind of spirit activity. I can't say it was a good spirit or really a bad. But it was something. At the time, I was sure it was demons, there was no other explanation.

It just seems that is the evil spirits can access us so easily, sometimes without our provocation, then why the heck can't an angel just let us see their true power just once? Would that make faith too easy? Is it some kind of test maybe? It doesnt seem like too much to ask from God , to show himself to us in more ways than he does , if he loves us like a Father , wouldnt he do that for us?

I don't believe it is because we are too sinful for these perfect heavenly creatures to approach us. In the Bible they did it all the time, there were miracles, visison, and people were filled with true holy spirit. I never felt as a JW any divine power , only my own strength really, from determination.

Scarey thing is ,,,,,,, since leaving the borg,,,,,, I don't feel any spirits one way or the other. But maybe that is telling me something there too. I am really thinking that God, doesnt have a whole lot to do with us while we are on earth, I only hope he will when we die.

donkey

The ~~Lunatic~~ demon is in my head - Pink Floyd (modified by a Donkey)

TheOldHippie

"I am really thinking that God, doesnt have a whole lot to do with us while we are on earth, I only hope he will when we die."

Me too .....................

gumby

Dede,

You must be a horrible evil sinner to not have all your prayers answered....or your faith is very week. Actually if your faith was strong enough you could transplant trees for a living....or become a landscaper and move mountains without a backhoe.

Actually your complaint is the same as everyone elses........why doesn't God seem to listen and answer? Didn't Jesus say anything you ask in my name will be given to you? I can think of a shitload of prayers where nothing happened......ever!

I used to think about the little girl who was chained to her bed and wallowed in her own feces because her parents were nuts. She cried and pleaded to God for help for years. Finally a neighbor got wind of her and called the police. Did God have the neighbor tell? Hell no! She lived like this for years and years. This is only one case.

How about ALL the rest who have prayed for a safe road trip, gathering, or any other event, only to have something horrible happen. I prayed for a safe vacation with my wife 2 months ago only to have an accident and end up in ICU with a $45,000 medical bill.......thanks lord for answering my prayer.

I feel as you do. There is a creator.....he just doesn't seem to intervene much.....but I hope he is around when I die and explains it all.

Take care,

Gumby

ozziepost

The Dub fear of demons arises because they haven't grasped the Christian teaching of a personal relationship with Christ means to have Christ in your heart. See 1 Peter 3: 15 and 2 Peter 1:19.

When Christ is in your heart, there's no place for the demons, for he showed his power over the demons during his earthly ministry. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint." (1 John 4:18)

Cheers, Ozzie

wednesday

Dede,

I have on one account been sure a prayer was answered. I was deeply depressd and crying out to God and my mind was in terrrible turmoil. I cried out as i had never done before.. Suddenly my mind was clear, and i felt a complete calm come over me..it lasted quite a while. It did not cure me-for i was very ill, but for that moment-when i needed help. it was given. My husband, reports that once he waas out in the yard doing gardening. he is a very naturalist person. My husband said he felt God's presence beside him. my hubby has never said anything like that before.(hes' not given to fantasy )

Also, i know one thing -throughout the last many years when i have been very ill, so many times we did not know how we were going to make it from payday to next. often money would come in when we least expected it.

i firmly believe Jehovah guided me to find the therapist i did, for had i not-i surley would have ended my life. my therapist even told me , he felt i was being protected by God. And no he was not a religious fanantic. I went against the jw in this. they felt all i needed was God.

During all this time, i was an incative jw. So it was not through works that jehovah helped me.he just did help me. that is all i know.

MegaDude

Lyin/Dee

You said: Why is it so easy to summon the wicked spirits and yet when we pray to God on our hands and knees we don't hear a word?

Great observation. It shows the core foundation of the Jehovah Witness belief structure....FEAR. Keep 'em scared to keep 'em line. That's why the kingdom hall is such a miserable place to worship. People go to those relentlessly boring repetitive meetings out of fear: Fear Jehovah will destroy them if they don't go, fear that their spirituality will magically disappear if they don't make every meeting, fear of what others in the group will think of them if they don't adhere to all the rules.

When did you ever go to a meeting where people were really uplifted and happy and enthusiastic? They were some in my experience, but very, very few.

I haven't run into any demons in my life....except the ones at the kingdom hall.

drahcir yarrum

Aren't demons essentially illegal aliens in this country. They need to be reported to INS. I'm sick and tired of these freeloaders with bad intentions entering our borders without documentation.

MrMoe

You rang?

Amanda

*of the Smokin' Demon Class"

Sirona

Dede,

I think its the general preoccupation with evil that exists at the moment. Due (I think in part) to the information age, we hear and see atrocities on a daily basis and comment on how "evil" this world is. As I think has been discussed, it is no more evil now than before, we just have more capability to damage ourself and the planet. Some human beings try to blame the devil and demons for all of this because it fits into their mindset of there being a "universal Good" and a "universal Evil" that are at odds. I do not believe in the Devil or Demons as such. There are spirit entities IMO who can do things that could be considered evil or bad but I don't think they abound any more than any other sort of entity.

We put things into black and white categories. JWs do it more than normal people - something/someone to them is either part of the JW camp or doomed.

We also tend to need demons to blame when it is in fact ourselves who are to blame. Too many people do not accept responsibility for their life.

I see polarities in the universe, but see *some* bad things as necessary. How would we know fulfillment without knowing emptiness? How would we know true appreciation without having lacked something?

Sirona

Why is it so easy to summon the Demons?

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