Santa - Does he exist???

by Yizuman 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Beans
    Beans

    SANTA WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mebeme
    mebeme

    FUNNY......................Yizuman, thank you for the best laugh I have ever needed.......very very funny!

  • rem
    rem

    iwasyoungonce,

    Exactly what I was thinking. I find it ironic that a person can present and accept the reasons why one fictional character cannot possibly exist, but then persist in the belief of another supposed-entity that is just as improbable.

    rem

  • onthego
    onthego

    HI! DID YOU KNOW scholarly studies prove that the Christmas Tree is from the Tree of Eternal Life (Ge 2:9, 3:22) depicted in church plays of the Middle Ages, not Luther or Druid tree-worshippers, although outdated articles for example in World Book Encyclopedia still repeat the legends and Luther may have originated the use of candles attached to Christmas trees. Saint Nicholas was an actual man who in the Middle Ages quietly left dowry gifts that kept Christian girls from being sold into slavery, and heading a congregation at Myra where Turkey now is, he wore red and carried a miter although without reindeer or elves.

    The giant cedars of Lebanon used to build the temple at Jerusalem themselves had bright green needles with tan-colored cones, and John 10:22-3 says Christ visited the successor temple during the Jewish "Festival of Dedication," namely Channukah, during winter. Also called the Festival of Lights, it had singing, the carrying of tree branches, homes filled with lights and joy. Celebrated 8 days each time, its date varies yearly but the first Channukah was December 25, making it an even more likely source for the December 25 celebration than Rome's Saturnalia which came later in the month. Some believe Christ was actually born about Oct 1, which would mean Mary conceived 9 months previously, that is about or on December 25. Indeed count 9 months backwards from October to see for yourself. Santa Claus, as said earlier, did not come from a vaguely known Asian god who descended chimneys to bring gifts or Siberian wizards but instead the Christian Nicholaus a famous gift-giver in the Middle Ages.

    In fact Christ himself was wrongly attacked as a "glutton and drunkard" simply for believing in a good time (Mt 11:19). He once turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana (Jn 2:1-11), told followers to invite needy persons to parties (Lu 14:13-14), and accepted gifts including expensive nard oil. Interestingly, Revelation 1:14 even describes the resurrected Christ's hair as like "white wool" or "snow," his cloak was scarlet-colored (red with a bluish tinge--Mt 27:28), and white symbolized purity. True, all that just coincidentally reminds one of Santa Claus, but do note that the earliest Christians enjoyed balanced merriment at "love feasts" (Jude 12), the angels celebrated Christ's birth (Lu 2), and Job's children had enjoyed birthdays (Job 1:3, 3:1, 3).

    Most Christmas trees are topped by a star remindful of the Christ star. According to John Mosley's The Christmas Star (1985) from September 3 BC to June 2 BC Jupiter, known as "the royal planet" passed Regulus "the king star" in the constellation Leo, reversed then passed again, turned and passed a 3rd time. By June 17 Jupiter and Regulus were so close they seemed a single star when seen by the eye. This then is one intriguing possible source for the Christ star in the Bible.

    Before Christ's birth unspecified men called "magi" in Biblical Greek came from the East first to Jerusalem (Mt 2:1-2) then went on to find the Christ child in Bethlehem. Some translations render the word magi as astrologers because its root like the word "magician" is linked to the idea of being a person of great might but although magi may refer to people who try to predict the future by observing the stars, using omens and consulting spirit beings as forbidden by God at Deuteronomy 18:10-12, it can also refer to people who worked to predict future weather patterns, good times to plant and harvest, buy and sell crops, etc via careful observation of the clouds, stars and other natural phenomena and with very little to absolutely no special focus on the occult at all. So for solid reasons some Bible translations continue to translate magi as simply "wise men" or "stargazers" and this is also supported by the Bible's positively saying the men brought gifts for Christ and then also protected him by leaving without telling his location to King Herod who wickedly desired to slay him.

    Those who kept their families from celebrating Christmas should not be condemned if they were mistaught and so acted out of lack of accurate knowledge in the past but also no one should claim that those who do celebrate the birth of Christ are immature and out of harmony with the Bible even as the preceding information proves. Please read and meditate on what Paul writes at Colossians 2:16.

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  • Shakita
    Shakita

    "Seeing isn't believing, believing is seeing."---Judy the Elf, The North Pole

    Mrs. Shakita

  • Simon
    Simon

    Did you head about the vicar / priest here in the UK for giving a sermon along those lines?

    He explained how santa was dead and went in to the quantum physics for any children in the audience not yet sobbing.

    Kind of ironic ... explaining the science and 'impossibility' of it all ... while believing that some super being created the entire universe in less than a week !

    Now that's unbelievable.

  • Scully
    Scully

    Yes, Santa Claus exists. I know this because he's been using my credit cards a lot lately.

    Love, Scully

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    mebeme - FUNNY......................Yizuman, thank you for the best laugh I have ever needed.......very very funny!

    Heheh, welcome.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Of course Santa exists, and all you "aclausists" are fools and liars! How else would children all over the world get presents on the exact same day? The ridiculous theory of "parent-giving" has been dismissed years ago by people who went to important universities.

    While there may be some "micro-giving" (although this is fiercely debated), "macro-giving" is clearly impossible. Where would all those parents find the elves necessary to make all those toys? All the elves known to exist live at the North Pole and work exclusively for Santa, so the probability of finding one elsewhere is the same as the possibility of simultaneously winning the lottery and being struck by lightning.

    For Santa not to exist would require a huge world-wide conspiracy involving hundreds of millions of people. Clearly this is so unlikely as to be impossible, so therefore Santa must be able to defy the laws of physics. We know he does this to come down small chimneys anyway, so obviously he's not subject to the same restrictions as mortals and therefore can comfortably visit hundreds of millions of children in a few hours.

    There you go: proof positive that Santa exists. And remember, if you don't believe you won't get any Christmas presents!

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    of course Santa exists. He's working in cahoots with God. God suspends time so that he can complete all his rounds in what seems to us to be 36 hours, but really takes years to complete from Santa's perspective.

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