My Mother &" The Faithful & Discre... (page 2)

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i think the elderly have enough pressure facing them....to leave or "betray" some thing they have given their life and heart to,,in my opinion,,would just be way too much emotionally...think how hard it is for younger ones and what they go through...'CAN YOU JUST IMMAGINE ALL THE GUILT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN"...let them believe what they want and love them for who they are...accept them 100%....when they are gone,,you will be so glad you did...

minimus

I , once again, talked to my mother this past evening. She agreed with me on a number of points regarding the mistakes that the "slave class" has made over the years. She agreed that they shouldn't have discouraged child-bearing or marriage. She agreed that it's terrible for marriage mates to be able to get divorced on grounds of fornication, only to change what fornication is. She agreed that the college issue has adversely affected Witnesses and their future. But there's a wall when it comes to admitting that the slave really doesn't speak Jehovah's perfect mind......But, headway has again been made.

hurt

I'd been having a discussion with an elder along these same lines. He'd said everything the Slave Class have taught have been from Jehovah, so I challenged him to let's look at historical facts from the Society's own literature. I thought this was a fair way to proceed, and sought to establish that if we could find things that have been taught as truth and are no more seena s such, the God would have been made a liar. Specifically, I was interested in which would be more agreeable to him: that God is a liar and have been the source of untruth, or that the Slave Class have fouled things up and sold their own ideas as that of God. I hit a brickwall, and got labelled as "headstrong" and "given to controversial discussions". But I've seen signs it got him thinking a little. He's become less asserive when saying things he's heard. May be that's the beginning of better things...

We never know how far reaching those discussions could be. The good thing is to not stop talking about them. May be someday, Min, your mother would face what she has to face. Whether that is really good for her at her age is another matter. And I think you shouldn't be selfish about that fact.

minimus

We never know what can affect a person, do we? Maybe, time will change things.

ozziepost

But she's in her late 70's and not easy to change

G'day Minimus,

Wow, no questions!!!!!!!

I guess she doesn't want it not to be "the truth". She couldn't bear to think that at this time of her life, after spending so much time in obedience and loyalty to the Borg, it could have all been for nothing.

She wants it be "the truth".

Try offering her something better, rather than giving her an earbashing.

Cheers, Ozzie

notperfectyet

Wow Minimus,

You have a mom? What is she like? Do you love her? Was she a good mom? Did she tolerate all your questions as a child? Did you have to sit through many home bible studies stifled, never being able to ask the questions your little gonna be an elder heart questioned? How did it feel to not be able to ask those questions? How does it feel now to be able to? How did it feel the first time you disfellowshipped someone? Did you feel like they deserved it? Do you wish you could go back now and apoligize? Do you miss being an elder? Do you miss the control? Do you miss the power? Do you miss having a normal childhood? Do you miss being able to have a normal conversation instead of elder questions as your only means of communication? Does it feel good that ones answer you as if they are still in a commitee meeting? Does it bother you that are still not out but posting here? If the elders from your hall contacted you tomorrow what would you say? If one of your family members confronted you on your true feelings what would you say? If your mom turned you in on apostasy how would you react? If one of your siblings did? < that is if your not an only child> If you are an only child, how did that feel? How would it of been being in the borg with siblings?

Others to come soon..

( Of the I have a life class )

Flip

(The sad thing is that my mother is really not a dumb woman)

Theres plenty of seemingly intelligent people (no relation to rational) that are easily led to believe such things as ear candling (coning) removes ear wax, Noni Juice might cure cancer, Amway will make almost anyone who pays for and follows there sales program religiously, rich, or, similarly, purchasing Bible like books and magazines to be distributed on ones own dime while encouraging others to do likewise might make you popular and a candidate for everlasting life.

I, at least, have the excuse that I was raised a Jehovahs Witness and therefore had no choice but to follow. Perhaps your mother was also raised as one but discovered much to late to allow herself the luxury of extra-curricular thought.

The truly 'smart' ones are those that are well aware its a load of crap, but craftily allow marketing the ridiculous to the accepting few using the oldest tricks in the book to satisfy their individual or corporate financial and/or psychological needs and interests.

Edited by - Flip on 16 December 2002 2:29:44

minimus

notperfectyet,Do you have issues again? That's right another question. If you do, and it's about me being a former elder and my asking questions on this board, not much is going to change that. If you'd like to contribute to some helpful answers regarding my mother,I'd love to hear from you. If you just want to tease me, I don't really care. If you want to go back and forth, I can do this too. But really, what's your problem?

JT

I feel that at his age it would do more harm than good for him to realize that this is a false religion and that he's wasted his life on a false hope. It could easily put him in an early grave. Therefore, I don't say anything about it anymore.

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yep sometime it is better to let sleeping dog lay

Realist

minimus,

maybe its better to leave her with this faith...i mean especially since she is in her 70ties this might give her a lot of strength while getting old...

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