"Does your wife feel she is a JW?"

Scully

I wrote on Wednesday about how a couple of elders came calling that afternoon in this thread:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42220&site=3&page=1

Well, my husband and I had a bit of a disagreeable discussion earlier today about the visit. As it turns out, when the elder who didn't know us asked him the defining question: "Do you still consider yourself to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses?", and received an answer in the negative from hubby, he then proceeded to ask: "Does your wife feel the same way?" His answer: "I'm not sure, but I think so."

I'm absolutely LIVID right now. How DARE they ask someone else - even my husband - to speak on my behalf. I wasn't in a FREAKING COMA that I needed someone to speak for me.

Anyway, just a word to the wise, in the event that elders come calling round: If they ask you to speak on behalf of a spouse or another loved one, PLEASE do not fall into their trap. Individuals are baptized as individuals into the JWs. Nobody took the liberty to get baptized on my behalf, nor would anyone else's going through the Bible study or baptismal questions be sufficient to qualify me for baptism into the JWs.

If the elders ask if someone else in your household still considers themselves to be JWs, tell them "You will have to ask them yourself. I am not in a position to speak on their behalf."

Love, Scully

Edited by - Scully on 15 December 2002 13:49:27

RandomTask

My opinion with their monkey-circus cult is they can do whatever they want with me. Like they have some authourity over me or anything. So they can disfellowsip my name if they want they can burn me in effigy I gould ive a crap. 99% of the world could care less about those fools, me included.

onacruse

Scully, mayhaps that elder was smart enough to know what would happen if he asked YOU that question? They'll get the info they want in the easiest way they can. Balls the size of BBs.

Craig

Scully

Craig:

Scully, mayhaps that elder was smart enough to know what would happen if he asked YOU that question? They'll get the info they want in the easiest way they can. Balls the size of BBs.

You're probably right. I would have been all over them like a rabid banshee. Nice to know they're scared $h!tle$$ of me. heh heh heh

Love, Scully

Iwasyoungonce

These guys were uninvited. If they show up at my doorstep they will not have an opportunity to speak period. They had best leave as fast as possible. I have no corrals about putting my foot right in their asses! Or matching aggression as is required. If I am harrassed I plan to serve those who harrass me on Sunday morning. That is serve them with papers.

I hope that your angest is at tweetle dumb and tweetle dumer and not at your husband. That is a bad position to be in. No matter what you say it's not good. If he says yes, he speaks for you. If he says no, he speaks for you. If he says ask her, he invites them to return.I.M.O. (and experience) My way is easier.

JH

Scully,

Do you still consider yourself to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

I guess that this must be their first question each time they meet an inactive person. Saying No, I don't consider myself to be a J.W. must automatically DA yourself. I wonder why they ask that question, since they want people to come back. By asking that question they put the odds on the other side, risking that the person may say No. They are almost inviting you to say I don't consider myself to be a JW. I wonder if their visits are only to kick people out, rather than bring them back.

J.H.

Dia

You're not really 'wondering why' they would do this, are you?

Scully

Dia writes:

You're not really 'wondering why' they would do this, are you?

No, I'm not wondering. I'm convinced that this was the most expeditious way for them to DA both of us, despite their claim to visit with the intent of "helping us get back to meetings". I know it's mainly to keep other JWs from finding out why we left.

JH writes:

I guess that this must be their first question each time they meet an inactive person. Saying No, I don't consider myself to be a J.W. must automatically DA yourself. I wonder why they ask that question, since they want people to come back.

It actually isn't the first question they ask, which is what makes it so sneaky. They make small talk. They say, "We were just in the neighbourhood, and thought we'd stop in to see if there was anything we could do to help you folks get back to meetings." Then if you say, No, we don't need any help with that, thanks, they'll ask if you consider yourself to be a JW.

They can't stand the idea of someone leaving the organization quietly without being punished by them for it. So they play this stupid game of Are-You-In-Or-Are-You-Out? It helps the drones feel like we "slackers" aren't getting away with anything, while they do all the work. It satisfies old Ted Jackass in the ivory tower who only knows how to rule with an iron fist. It's a way for them to close ranks and keep members in the dark.

Edited to add: It especially keeps the Legal Department happy, because if you say you don't consider yourself to be a JW anymore, you no longer have any recourse against them for slandering you and defaming your character to other JWs.

It's all about control.

Love, Scully

Edited by - Scully on 15 December 2002 14:41:6

ugg

god,,,,that is so sneaky and dishonest of them....how sick!!! (((((((((((((((((( scully )))))))))))))))))

orangefatcat

Scully I would ask your husband how he would feel if the shoes were on the other feet. Would he like it if you spoke for him. If I were you I would find out who the heck that elder was and call him and then tell him If you have a question to ask me then ask me. Those elders are sneaks and I think that DA is not on their minds but DF is more like it, now that they have seen Christmas decorations on the outside of your home. They will do anything to disfellowship these days.

Just a thought.

Love Orangefatcat

Edited by - orangefatcat on 15 December 2002 22:29:9

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