Living together before marriage=promiscuous?

by Witch Child 26 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Witch Child
    Witch Child

    Englishman, I love the word; Fornicatrix... what a riot!

    Thanks Xander, I wasn't blocked... I guess it was a glitch.

    I was looking at that quote again, from Jerry Bergman, and something struck me; not only is it a touch jusgemental about "sin" it also has, perhaps a whiff of snobbery. Great to hear the minister is a great guy... but why would we care which school he graduated from? Or that he has a PHD? Does that somehow elevate his opinions above another human beings? Is it a factor in determining whether a person is a "great guy?" I don't know, maybe I'm just grumpy today, but it seems to me like this poster puts a lot stock in different types of "status."

    I don't need to waste too much time worrying about people who have such narrow ideas. Sorry if I've been whining today. Everyone else is at a private screening of the Two Towers... I'm home with the baby. :(

  • Golden Girl
    Golden Girl

    I know for a fact....that hubby and I would NOT be tgether if we weren't married before we lived together.....

    But we took our vows seriously and stayed together...We raised three kids and am now glad we made it through the tough times! If we weren't married..we could have took off at anytime leaving the other one stranded..There is something to be said for "Commitement"!.

    I like to think of it as a "Ball and chain"...

    Snoozy..of the older and wiser class!

    I feel like guys invented the "Live together" scene..so they could move on to something new ....easier....

    If they want the milk..they gotta buy the cow!.....Yep!

    OK..I guess I will be blasted now!

    Be nice though..I let my unmarried son and his girlfriend live with us for a year before they got married!..It lasted 10 years..Of course they are divorced now..but her and I are great friends!(And 2 grandbabies)

    So it's just my opinion...

  • Kingpawn
    Kingpawn

    On the one hand, I think I'd support two people living together because, let's face it, on a date you're on your best behavior, dressed to the nines, and all that. You don't see him when he needs a shave, or her when her bra's not in place...less than ideal circumstances is what I mean. Or how they handle day-to-day issues.

    With cohabitation, you do see that. I'd probably say a couple ought to cohabit for a year, maybe 18 months on the outside. There was a Reader's Digest article that said the first trouble time in a marriage is at one year, when the "newness" wears off. So if a relationship lasts more than a year, maybe it has a better chance of lasting a lifetime.

    You'd have to be careful the two really loved each other because it is easy for guys to "shop around." There is the chance of a pregnancy and if he wasn't as commited as she thought there's another source of stress.

    Speaking as a guy with two daughters...I'd be a nervous wreck worrying whether they were really in a commited relationship or not. They haven't got the knowledge of guys I do, and just like I was at that age, they'll think Dad is so square and out of touch.

  • Xena
    Xena
    If they want the milk..they gotta buy the cow!.....Yep!

    hhhmmm not sure how to break this to you, but I doubt many of us consider ourselves "cows" to be bought. Perhaps that is why we are "off" marriage a bit...when we were married and JW's we were at times treated like "livestock" to be bought, and to have no voice in our own lives. For myself, I am not for sale....if and when I decided to start a relationship with someone it will be on an equal footing and it will be because I want to be with them not because I HAVE to be with them.

    Edited by - Xena on 18 December 2002 20:22:52

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Gonna live unmarried as promiscuously as possible for the next 163.5 hours...

    and, after that, as promiscuously as possible every day for the rest of our lives.

    Craig <------chasing bikerchic around the house

  • TresHappy
    TresHappy

    I never approved of "shacking up" (as Dr. Laura would say), then I met my husband. We basically lived in 2 places, his and mine, before our marriage. So I am in no place to judge anyone or never would.

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Oh please! Right because people who live in seperate residents can't make it like Viagra bunnies. I have heard that living together before marriage was immoral, but promiscuous? Oy!

    Franky to each their own. Some people feel you HAVE to live together in order to get the real experience of what someone is like. I think that is hooey myself. If your spidey senses don't work unless you are under the same roof you have problems. For my own sanity and safety I don't want to move in with someone until after we are married. (Let me add this has nothing to do with morality or promiscuity issues--I am the most immoral and promiscuous person I know-that's a joke by the way!)

    I have just seen WAY too many couples have WAY too many problems because they lived together. Now I already know I am going to get blasted for this and you're all going to say "better to find out before you get married" I say phooey! I think people move in together too soon. It seems like the reasonable thing to do without all the commitment of marriage, because you're "not ready for that". I don't think moving in together with someone should be taken lightly, nor should marriage. You think a divorce is painful? Waiting out a lease while your ex shags someone new IN YOUR HOUSE is just as painful. (Never experienced it just witnessed it in three seperate instances)

    Again as I say, to each their own. I know a lot of people think it is better to live together first, but I disagree. As I said before, if I can't tell the dude is an asshole and annoys the piss out of me unless I move in with him, I have serious judgement flaws and should be put in a state institution MACH SCHNELL!

    If it worked for you, great! Peace be with you my brothers and sisters! But I don't think I would ever do it.

    *awaits the verbal assult for this one*

    Edited by - joannadandy on 19 December 2002 0:33:8

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    joanna, I agree with you 100%. True, there are a lot of things that you don't know about a prospective life-mate unless you live a day-to-day routine of life with them, but then that's true of every day of life you spend with them even after marriage...even after 10, 20, 30 years of marriage.

    That fundamental sense of compatability and bonding must be there FIRST, along with mutual commitment. And it must be ready to grow through each subsequent day and experience.

    Katie and I spent literally hundreds of hours talking, writing and IMing before we ever met. And by the time we did finally meet IRL, we both knew each other's feelings and desires so well that it was like we had already been living together for a long time.

    It certainly did make a difference, though, that we have both been married before. So there were no games, no hidden agendas, no questions that we hesitated to ask or answer. Plain, simple, complete honesty.

    Just our own experience, fwiw.

    Craig

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    In my first marriage, my ex and I lived together and slept together (not just sleep if yanno what I mean) before we were married. We were together for almost 4 years before we finally tied the knot. I realized 3 days into our honeymoon that I had made a terrible mistake. We were incompatible for so many reasons. We struggled to stay together for several months, but unfortunately our marriage lasted only two years.

    When Mozzer and I started dating I explained to him that I wouldn't have sex with another man until I was married to him. It was not me following a religious rule, but it was me following a biblical rule that I thought made sense. Sexual intercourse bonds a couple physically and emotionally in a way that I feel should only be done in marriage. It also gave me the opportunity to see what kind of man Mozzer was like. Was he dating me for a simple booty call or was there something more? Turns out there was something more. Eighteen months after we started dating, he proposed and several months later we got married. Although we moved in together 5 weeks before we were married, we never did have sex until our honeymoon night. (Okay...it was our honeymoon afternoon, pretty much immediately after the reception, but who's keeping track, right?) ((())) But we both agree wholeheartedly, that saving sex for marriage was something we are proud of doing and recommend to anyone. In fact, if we had to do it all over again, we'd do it the same way. Why? It gave us the opportunity to build a relationship based on mutual respect and friendship and NOT just sexual attraction. Neither of us had done that before and just decided to do things God's way instead of our own way. For us, it worked and we're blessed with a fantastic marriage!

  • Witch Child
    Witch Child

    Let me start by saying that I respect all the opinions and experience posted in this thread. I'll follow up by saying that Sweet Vampire and I started out as a "casual fling." He was supposed to be leaving the country for 5 years in only 2 weeks. I had ended my terrible and near-sexless marriage 6 months before. I had met Vampire while married and felt like I was struck by lightning when I first laid eyes on him. As a married, good JW I had ignored my reaction and avoided the lad ever since.

    I ran into him at an X-mas party. He got my phone number from someone and called me. We kept making plans to hang out but it kept not happening. Oh well. Then, 3 months past xmas, we made plans to watch a movie together and nothing happened to derail the plans! The chemistry was intense, and I did something very naughty... I had a one night stand. Very out of character for me, but there it is. He called a few days later shocking the heck out of me... I felt I was no prize at all... and I was 7 years older than he, and had kids... and lots of other stuff he couldn't have cared less about. We decided to carry on getting to know each other for his last two weeks in the U.S. Delays turned it into 2 months and we fell hopelessly in love with each other.

    His ticket was bought, his plans were made, his brother was waiting for him overseas... he went. We were both absolute wrecks. We can't figure out how we did it... He drove away, got on a plane and flew away. I managed not to say the unfair words, the words I wanted most to say; "Please, don't go." He called 27 hours later in tears and told me that flying 13,000 miles away had made him realize that he loved me completely. He asked to live with me whenever he would return home. Of course I said yes, I would have given him my eyes if he'd asked, or my liver or all of my blood... no question. He lasted about 2 months before he couldn't stand it anymore. He came home and moved in.

    We had our problems early on. It was a tremendous adjustment for a 22 year old male with no kid experience to take on being a step-dad. My older son made things very difficult just by being himself, poor kid. There were all sorts of problems back then. One of the things that helped the most to make it easier for my Vampire to stay was the fact that he could leave at any time. He said later, looking back on all the difficulties, that when things were really bad (my son out of control, driving us crazy, me stressed and not very attentive to Vampire, him stessed and grumpy as a grizzly bear...) sometimes he would ask himself what the heck was he doing? Why was he putting up with all the hassle when he could easily find a younger, childless woman to be with? It always came back to the fact that he loved me and he wanted to be with me. He said if he'd felt any sort of obligation to be there he thinks he would have left.I knew what he meant because of my disastrous marriage. I'd beaten myself near to death with the bat of commitment, and I grew to resent the living heck out of it. So I think our extended 'trial period' really clarified for us just how very much we wanted a commitment. In our case, it worked out splendidly.

    I am not knocking commitment, hey, we just got married after all, but I'm glad we didn't try to commit too early. If that makes sense to folks. We were always very clear that were exclusive and that we would be totally honest about our feelings, like if they started to change. We lived in my apartment, my lease only. If things didn't work he would stay at his mom's till he got a new place. As a mom with two kids I was securely settled. Within maybe 6 months we had outlasted the worst of it. After a year we both knew we would be together come what may. It took him another year to get the guts up to ask me to marry him. It took me another 3 years to obtain my divorce from the JW ex. We married 2 months after the divorce was final.

    Our marriage is just starting, but we already know we can make it through just about anything. We've been beside each other through the death of one of my dearest friends, his last living grandparent, my last living great-grandparent, the birth of our son, major illnesses for both of us and the kids, moves, temporary poverty, crazy drug problems and mental health issues of family members etc, etc.

    Wow. This is REALLY long!!! I thought I was being brief! Sorry everyone!

    ~Witch, of the loooong-winded class!

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