An interesting article. Your comments, guys?
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Thermodynamics Falsifies Evolution
by SYN 17 Replies latest jw friends
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FrankyFourVests
Not this again.
P.S. Jesus loves you.
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James2300
Well, that article misses the point. Under the second law of thermodynamics the entropy of the entire universe will increase. You can have specific spots of order as long as the entropy of the entire universe continues to increase.
There are non-evolutionary complex structures that form without breaking this law. For example, waves are complex structures as are tornados.
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DrMike
The 2nd law of thermodynamics only applies to a closed system; not a system where there is a constant influx of energy ( the sun ). In this case, the process is reversed ( actually, the entropy is overcome ), and the excess energy is stored in the form of complexity. This is demonstrable by known and repeatable experiments.
If, you include the sun in the system, along with the earth, then the 2nd law applies to all of the energy ( energy = complexity ) in the system. ; Buy you have to model the radiated energy from the sun, which is NOT transfered to the earth.
Biological evolutionary theory IS falsifiable ( as are all scientific theories ). ; But this particular challenge fails to do so. Failing to model the incoming energy from the sun into the system completely invalidates ths hypothosis that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is inconsistant with current evolutionary theory.
This really is OLD news....
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Realist
LOL
thats good one! i wonder how this guy thinks that cristals form!?
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Francois
ANOTHER evolution discusstion? OK, it's your board, talk about whatever you like. However, I personally think that evolution is true, that it is a technique of Diety, and that it cannot now be proven with logic any more than the existance of God can be proven with logic.
But plenty of heated arguments certainly ARE in the offing, IMHO.
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talley
The "automobile in the desert" example is totally wrong, as all us upper midwesterners know. We constantly look for antique and classic models that were purchased new in the dry southwest of the USA and stayed in that area: no rust, no corrosion, replace belts, seals and hoses, a little more fun stuff and you have an antique ready to roll under its own power!!!! I was ambovolent about evolution until life experience, observation and occupation impressed upon me the wonders of genetics, development and birth. No contest in my mind - all life (plant & animal) has not been derrived from some grand accident, rather it was marvelously designed and implemented.
talley/Judy (of Island Woman's old = stupid & senile Class)
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Realist
The author , who writes under the pen-name Harun Yahya, was born in Ankara in 1956. He studied arts at Istanbul's Mimar Sinan University and philosophy at Istanbul University. Since the 1980s, the author has published many books on political, faith-related and scientific issues. Harun Yahya is well known as an author who has written very important works disclosing the imposture of evolutionists.
and how well he is prepared to discuss scientific issues was demonstrated by the article posted above! LOL
talley,
just to make sure...that was a joke right?I was ambovolent about evolution until life experience, observation and occupation impressed upon me the wonders of genetics, development and birth. No contest in my mind - all life (plant & animal) has not been derrived from some grand accident, rather it was marvelously designed and implemented.
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ThiChi
I agree with Dr. Peck's observation on this subject: Life is a miracle!
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ThiChi
IS THE UNIVERSE STILL WEARING DIAPERS?
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Brad Harrub, Ph.D.
What does it feel like to suddenly be 3 billion years younger? This is a question we should be asking our Universe in light of new cosmological data. A new discovery has scientists trimming 10-15% off the supposed age of our Universe, and as a result has researchers re-dating everything. Given current estimates, this new discovery would decrease the age of the Universe by 3 billion years, leaving evolutionists less time to explain how everything came into existence. The force behind this dramatic time-shift is the revelation that one of the cosmological constants may be off. For many years, scientists have used something called Cepheid measurements to help them estimate the distance from the Earth to far-away galaxies. Cepheid variable stars, as they are known, pulsate in a way that is correlated with their natural luminosity, making them useful as standard candles for determining relative distances to nearby galaxies. This is also the method scientists used to determine the expansion rate of the Universe in order to try and extrapolate an overall age. Cepheid measurements played a key role in establishing the extragalactic distance scale, and hence the value of the Hubble cosmological constant. Recently, Cepheid measurements were found to be different, compared to another independent, highly accurate distance determination using masers (the microwave equivalent of lasers).
Researchers have been measuring distances using Cepheid star variables since 1929. In the September 1999 issue of Nature, eight researchers authored a paper in which they showed the Cepheid method might need some tweaking (Maoz, et al., 1999). Using the Cepheid method to estimate the distance from the Earth, Maoz and his colleagues measured a galaxy known as NGC4258 to be 8.1 mega parsecs. [One mega parsec is equivalent to approximately three million light years.] Using what scientists refer to as the more accurate maser method, Maoz and his team found this distance to be only 7.2 mega parsecs. While this difference may not appear significant at first glance, if the maser-based distance is correct, then the Cepheid distance scale is in dire need of revision. But such a revision then would cause the value of the Hubble constant to be changed accordingly (an increase of 10-15%), and thus the expansion age of the Universe would decrease by the same amount. Simply put, this means that the Universe is much younger than previously thought by most physicists.
In referring to his recent findings Maoz said: We discovered a considerable discrepancy between the maser-based and Cepheid-based distance. The bottom line is that it seems that galaxy distances may have been consistently overestimated by about 12%. This would imply that the Universe is expanding faster than expected, and the age of the Universe is lower by a similar factor [ NASA AMES Press Release; for full story click here]. Is our Universe millions or billions of years old? No! And little by little, methodological errors and scientific uncertainty are bearing this out.
REFERENCES
Maoz, Eyal, Jeffery A. Newman, Laura Ferrarese, Peter B. Stetson, et al. (1999), A Distance to the Galaxy NGC4258 from Observations of Cepheid Variable Stars, Nature, 401:351-354, September 23.