Cochlear Implants Bacterial Meningitis

by Yizuman 16 Replies latest social physical

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    oooo I'm going to put my foot in it

    Firstly I think deaf culture is great BUT it is based on a disability.. To say that nothing should be done to prevent or fix a disability is absurd. Finding the source of the infecions in CI would be important because I agree one death is too much.

    An an interpreter I know too well the problems of the deaf who must interact with the hearing world - doctors lawyers, education (sometimes having to send their child into a residential school miles away), work. It isn't easy.

    Yes sign within the deaf community is wonderful and all the technology is great. But to say that if the deaf all recieved CI then deaf culture would die out is not quite right either. Some people cannot have the implant. Forcing sugery on someone would be wrong too.

    So where is the balanced view?

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman
    But the species as a WHOLE has hearing - individual defects aside. Why do you suppose that is?

    Oh? Since when a dog is a defect? The dog can do anything except hear.

    Okay, and if she had the choice at birth to have been able to see and hear her whole life instead of being blind and deaf, don't you think she would?

    I asked her about that. She has had no complaints. She's very acceptable of her deafness and blindness. She asked me why people can't accept people for who they are regardless of their disability. She really doesn't view her disability really a disability. She said if it were, she wouldn't have a wonderful life like she has now. She's happy and doesn't understand why people think she isn't.

    And, in fact, that isn't even a fair question because she has no point of reference. She doesn't realize what she is missing, so she may well still choose the known quantity.

    Oh she's aware of it. She knows she's missing what she can't see. But the fact of the matter is, it doesn't bother her at all. She can "see" some things that is considered wonderful and beautiful. She sees the beauty of people who treat her as a human being. She sees the ugly of people who pity her and it ticks her off.

    Let me phrase the question differently:

    You know what it is to see. You can see just fine. Great.

    Now, assume you couldn't. You were born blind. You've never seen a sunset or sunrise or beautiful woman. Never seen the majestic mountains, rolling clouds, the first snowfall in winter. Never seen any movie, TV show, or read - really READ - a book. Computers are next to useless to you. You DO know what you'd be missing if you couldn't see.

    Now, what if you couldn't see because the treatment to enable you to see was denied you at birth? They COULD have treated your blindness, but someone didn't want to because it would diminish the 'blind community'.

    What would you say to them? Knowing all you would have lost in this example?

    How can you inflict a similar decision on somone else?

    Let me answer this question with a question if I may....if you lost both your hearing and sight TODAY. Does that mean your life is over? Even when the damage is too exensive to be repaired?

    Now, to answer the question, if I became blind today, my life is not over. I will learn to overcome my new disability and live a normal life as the best I can.

    And, you know what's amazing?

    Absolutely everything you listed after that quote - HEARING PEOPLE CAN DO TOO. Only BETTER.

    Why is inferiority something to be cherised WHEN IT CAN BE FIXED?

    Hitler considered any form of disability to be inferior and he killed a good number of them in Germany. He even steralized them as well. Do you think what he did was a good idea?

    Hitler saw black people to be inferior. He saw homosexuals to be inferior. He saw Jews to be inferior. And he killed alot of them. 6 million Jews plus 4 million non-Jews for various reasons as stated above.

    Why the notion that we need to be fixed? Are we not part of nature? Why fix nature when we are part of it? Nature has variety, why oppose a few of them and say it needs to be fixed?

    Let me assure you - the ability to hear perfectly is just as wonderful. If you don't think you need it - fine. If you want to appreciate the 'culture', as you call it, that has arisen from people trying to cope with a disability, fine.

    We aren't trying to cope with it, we are coping with it. It's the hearing people that can't cope with us. I know that first hand.

  • Valis
    Valis
    This "deaf" advocacy business gives me the hives.

    Porkchop...don't be crude..Rush probably went deaf listening to his own overly loud, racist, and obnoxious rhetoric...*LOL* And then he had to fix himself...what a comforting thought..

    Yiz, I think its a matter of choice. I saw a piece on the news this evening about a woman who had the cochlear implant...she heard a voice for the first time and started crying. It was touching seeing her cry..I couldn't help but think of people w/incurable diseases that take experimental medicines and all those w/AIDS that would give anything if they could be anywhere normal again. I'm not saying that the deaf are not normal, per se, but just that when there isn't that kind of adversity in one's life or a requisite to do "extra" to communicate or live/survive, then we might be able to call that normal. I think deaf people who are willing to get the implants are just as brave as those who choose to cope/adapt to their disability.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman
    Lady Lee - oooo I'm going to put my foot in it

    ***Steps out of the way to avoid being stumped on***

    Firstly I think deaf culture is great BUT it is based on a disability.. To say that nothing should be done to prevent or fix a disability is absurd. Finding the source of the infecions in CI would be important because I agree one death is too much.

    Maybe it is considered a disability. But I don't see it as a problem. It's the hearing people that has a problem, so it hinders us from striving to be the best and be just as good as any hearing people, except hear.

    They may find a way to fix a disability, but I don't believe they can fix the entire deaf peopulation as some cannot be fixed at all medically.

    Yes I would have to agree they do need to find the source of the infections first. I think the CI program should be suspended pending further research. One death is too many indeed and to continue this program while researching the cause of the problem could bring about more deaths would be the dumbest idea.

    An an interpreter I know too well the problems of the deaf who must interact with the hearing world - doctors lawyers, education (sometimes having to send their child into a residential school miles away), work. It isn't easy.

    No one said being deaf would be easy. In fact, life itself is not easy regardless if I am deaf or not.

    Yes sign within the deaf community is wonderful and all the technology is great. But to say that if the deaf all recieved CI then deaf culture would die out is not quite right either. Some people cannot have the implant. Forcing sugery on someone would be wrong too.

    I am glad you agree and see the dilemma in this issue.

    So where is the balanced view?

    Good question.

  • Xander
    Xander

    Now, to answer the question, if I became blind today, my life is not over. I will learn to overcome my new disability and live a normal life as the best I can.

    Yes, but you DIDN'T answer the question. You dodged it again.

    This whole topic is NOT about a disability that cannot be fixed - IT CAN BE.

    If you were blind at birth, and would not have been save for someone witholding treatment from you to preserver the 'blind community', how would you feel?

    Not talking about non-repairable damage - it IS repairable. But you are opposing it solely on the grounds that it will dimish the 'deaf community', hence my example.

    How would you feel if someone never let you see anything your whole life solely to console themselves over their own blindness (sorry, I mean, 'so the blind community is not dimished')?

    How is that 'right'?

    Hitler considered any form of disability to be inferior and he killed a good number of them in Germany

    You're completely going off topic. We are not talking about PUNISHING people who ALREADY HAVE disabilities, just allowing those who don't NEED TO DEAL WITH THEM (because a 'fix' exists) to NOT HAVE TO.

    Are we not part of nature? Why fix nature when we are part of it?

    In any case, this is a false argument, surely you are aware. Natural selection breeds out defects. Animals who can't hear will not be as successful as those who can, so genetic defects causing deafness are continually being weeded out of nature.

    Edited by - Xander on 20 December 2002 22:26:40

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Yizuman, why do you bring up this topic on an xJW forum? Wouldn't a deaf forum give you a more authoritative, balanced response?

    Xander, there are emotional reasons the deaf community are suspicious of medical solutions to their disability. A couple of centuries of misguided patronizing interference by the medical community is part of it. In the US, a highly respected scientist established a program of cure and integration of deaf people in to mainstream culture. Deaf schools were set up. Chilldren were taught to lip read and speak English as best they could. English, with it's pauses, emphasis and intonations, is best understood in the hearing world. It will always be a foreign language to a deaf child. American Sign Language was discouraged, and it went underground, being passed on surreptitiously by generations of institutionalized deaf children. Countless hours were taken up with learning how to speak a language they could not hear, when these children could have been at least learning a regular curriculum. It is a sad fact that this intensive integration approach produced fewer deaf college graduates than 200 years ago.

    Language is inticrately tied to a person's ability to structure their world and create an identity for themselves. It is no accident that nations form borders along language lines. That is why the deaf are a unique community, arguably more so than any other disabled group. The deaf community deserves to be consulted when well-meaning outsiders try and help.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    well said jg

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