Jehovah is gonna be so mad at you! *LOL* COMF, sounds like you had a very cool experience. I would take that kind of "self help" over going to church any day!
Sincerely,
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by COMF 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Xander
My family is native americen indians so maybe that is why this appeals to me
You know, it's not as if the Native Americans religions don't exist anymore....there are probably just as many devout adherants to pagan teachings native to this continent as Europe (where Wicca, more or less, comes from).
(In fact, given the choice, it would be more native american traditions I would follow. I'm of the 'spiritualism tied to the land' belief, so I would think following the customs of those who lived where I did is more useful than following the customs of my ancestors from a different land)
Then, both of us naked, we stood before her altar as she "opened the circle" by using the "goddess" candle to light each of the element-candles with an invocation
That's another part of local Wicca groups that has...worried...me. They like 'skyclad' rituals.
What if there was, say, a moderately attractive woman in the group?
Wouldn't that be...oh, I dunno...a PROBLEM?
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GentlyFeral
Xander, on skyclad rituals:
What if there was, say, a moderately attractive woman in the group?
Wouldn't that be...oh, I dunno...a PROBLEM?
Prob'ly not. Unless it was a Dianic (all female) coven! Otherwise it would be politely overlooked...
Or, in some traditions, might be considered an enhancement to the service.
Skyclad work isn't terribly common anymore, anyhow, nor is it considered essential. Don't know how much Gerald Gardner actually insisted on it, but I've heard that what he (the inventor of most modern Wiccan traditions) was trying to achieve was a sort of British Tantra.
GentlyFeral
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Xander
Otherwise it would be politely overlooked...
Hmmm...OTOH, *that* could certainly lead to self-esteem problems....hmmmmm.....
in some traditions, might be considered an enhancement to the service
Uh-huh...so, that would be the Beltaine rituals of which I've heard.....
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Can't help but wonder sometimes....
What if our founding fathers had fled religious persecution as witches - too open minded to live in Europe, instead of Puritans - too strict to get along with their homeland.
Course, maybe it's for the better. Growing up JW, the worst thing I had to worry about was controlling hormonal reactions when passing a mic. Dunno how I would have faired in a skyclad ritual... (Look whose not paying attention to spiritual matters again! Mmm-hmmm)
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COMF
What if there was, say, a moderately attractive woman in the group?
There was.
Wouldn't that be...oh, I dunno...a PROBLEM?
In what way? That I couldn't restrain myself from groping her in the middle of the ceremony? It wasn't. This was a very important and meaningful event to her. I wasn't going to detract from its significance by my behavior. I cooperated with her, not because of what the ceremony meant to me, but because of my respect for what it meant to her. She was serious, and so I became serious with her.
Now, if I'd been with a group rather than just the two of us, and if they weren't all people with whom I was already being intimate, then it might be distracting for me to get an erection--but, I'm sure, far more so to me in my immediate multisensory awareness of it than to them, to whom it would probably be at most a peripheral oddity to be noticed and quickly forgotten or ignored. I don't see that as a source of damage to my self-esteem. I'm aware that women have things going on that at times take precedence over my sexual impulses.
Edited by - COMF on 24 December 2002 2:2:18
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Sirona
Comf,
I wish my boyfriend were as willing to participate in ritual as you are!! He is *not interested* at all.
Anyway, Blessed Yule.
Sirona