Neighbours are JW's - Or are they?

by StarryNight 11 Replies latest social relationships

  • StarryNight
    StarryNight

    Hi, I've been reading through some of this forum, and it's certainly got more information than anywhere else I've found. So I'm hoping that perhaps someone here might be able to give me some answers/ideas on a situation that is really puzzling me.

    I live in Melbourne, Australia, with my husband of 12 years, and no kids. For the past 6 months I've been living next door to my neighbours, unaware that they are JW's. When I discovered that they were, it didn't change anything. We have always been friendly to each other, on the occasions we came into contact, but had little to do with one another. They are a married couple, with 4 sons.

    It was in a conversation with their eldest boy, who's 15, that he told me they are JW's and don't celebrate Xmas. So that's how I found out. Later on, in a conversation with the wife, she told me that she is not a JW. But I thought that JW's were only supposed to marry other JW's? She also smokes and drinks, and swears - a lot. He doesn't smoke, but drinks and also swears a lot. All 4 of their sons have been brought up as JW's. They do not celebrate xmas, birthdays, new years, all the annual events that JW's don't celebrate. But he has tattoo's, and they do dishonest things, such as stealing a pure bred Siamese cat that wandered into their yard - I say stole, because they hid it in their house for a couple of months, and refused to put a lost cat ad into the paper, as they wanted to keep the cat for themselves. They hose down their footpath and car even though we are in a bad drought and on strict water restrictions. Stuff like that.

    His wife told me he is not a practising JW at the moment. Then why still uphold all the beliefs of a JW, as in no celebrations, etc. I really like them, they are both nice, and their kids are extremely polite, I mean, excellent, outstanding manners. They tend to be very strict on the kids, from what I have seen, but also loving. He talks to everyday 'worldy' people, their boys all play with other kids in the street, regardless of whether they are JW's or not.

    I mean, what's the deal? Why would they sit on the fence like that? Apparently, too, their marriage suffers terribly because he follows the JW guidlines - to some extent anyway - but she doesn't, and they seperate 3 or 4 times a year then get back together again. (this is what she herself told me). She has no tolerance for his beleifs, and he has no tolerance for hers, and won't join in any celebrations, so why on earth they are still together is beyond me.

    Also, he recently made obscene graphic comments to me to do with wanting to have sex with me, when I got out of my car in the driveway one night, and he was washing his car in their own frontyard. I was speechless! I would of been speechless if he wasn't a JW, but he is, or half is, or whatever, so I mean, what on earth?? Major hypocrite, or just seriously mentally screwed over by being a JW?

    I guess I am just seeking some answers as to whether he is a JW, or living some kind of double life, or why he would even bother to only half follow all the rules, rather than just get right out of it all. I'm just stumped.

    Also, what was with the rul about not playing chess? I understand it's not enforced anymore (?) but where did that one come from, what was the basis for it??

  • Sargon
    Sargon

    I'm just a little confused here.How can you say that you 'really like them, they are both nice'; after receiving the obscene graphic comments?

  • Gizmo
    Gizmo

    Hi Starry,

    To answer your questions, many people who have become Jehovah's Witnesses, were not always Jehovah's Witnesses, people in the organisation refer to people outside of the org as being in the "world" sometimes these people have had difficulties in being assimilated...that is they still have a lot of "worldly traits".

    Tatoos are not an uncommon sight amongst JW's. Some convert "Brothers" in Japan used to belong to the Yakuza a form of Japanese Mafia, and they were required to have HUGE tatoos when a part of the Yakuza. They still have those tatoos to this day...but are no longer Yakuza members. So it is not really an issue.

    Anyone claiming to be a Baptised Witness isn't really encouraged to marry outside the faith...however if one of the legally married couple converts to the faith after marriage and becomes baptised, then legally and scriptually the convert is still bound to that mate, unless adultery is commited. Then they are free to decide to forgive the offending mate...or obtain a divorce.

    he recently made obscene graphic comments to me to do with wanting to have sex with me,

    Well, an active JW shouldn't do this...any decent human being shouldn't do this...but then anyone can say they are something when they are not...I can say I am the handsomest man in the world and believe it...doesn't make it so...just like the "Governing Body" of JW's claim to be The faithful and discreet Slave...also does not make it so.

    As to chess maybe the following link can answer your question...incidently I don't agree with the info!

    1. Strange Ideas
    pp.13-14 Chess-What Kind of Game Is ... competitive spirit in chess players. In fact, chess is frequently characterized as an ... example, dethroned world chess champion Boris Spassky.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    they sound like Jw that have drifted away and just can't get out of the jw mindset-or else they are afraid they'll be DF.Lots of jw are screwed up in their family life. Either way, they are not active and don't represent the average jw.

    As far as the husband making obsence remakrs, handle that the same way u would anyone else, Tell hiim u do not appreciate it, and to stop it immediately.

    Forget their religion, if u are unhappy with their behaviror, talk to them. Work it out as neighbors. Forget their religion.. especially since they are not trying to wintess to u.

    Edited by - wednesday on 26 December 2002 2:6:43

    Edited by - wednesday on 26 December 2002 11:46:38

  • StarryNight
    StarryNight

    Sargon - I just didn't take offence to what he said. It shocked me a little, then I got over it. I'm a pretty liberal person, and other than that one instance, they have always been very nice when we have spoken.

    elderrepents - thankyou for your response. I guess I just didn't understand how someone could claim to be a JW, but do so many things that would seem to be against their beliefs.

    wednesday - thanks also. I think that yes, they must not represent the average JW. I don't know much about JW's, other than what I've read online, but they seem far from the typical.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    Starry, Why the surprise. There are nearly a billion "christians" and many millions of them, given the chance, would proposition you. You're probably a hotty and he's a tad out of sorts with his wifey. Who knows, maybe in the right circumstances, I'd have done the same thing.. well, guess not, but I can understand how it could happen.

    carmel, wondering what Starry looks like, class

  • breeze
    breeze

    They just sound human to me...a bit rough around the edges for most JW's though...??

  • StarryNight
    StarryNight

    Carmel, as I said in chat, I'm very normal looking. Nothing special here, trust me! The comments were in relation to a specific part of me though, which I guess he obviously has a thing for.

    Breeze - exactly. I don't know too much about JW's. I briefly dated one when I was 16, the relationship didn't go anywhere, but other than not wanting to introduce me to his parents, it was similar to other relationships I've had. And the only other contact I've had with JW's is my neighbours in question, and those that come door knocking some weekends. However, from all I do understand of JW's, and have read online, they don't really act like JW's, so it was confusing me.

  • Sargon
    Sargon

    Sounds like you're living next door to that rare breed, a JW wannabe.

    If it don't quack like a duck...

  • Mum
    Mum

    Starry, your neighbors sound a lot like my parents. Stay the h*** away from them, but be very gentle with the children.

    There are many JW wannabes who pick and choose which JW tenets they observe. This cult really messes with people's heads. Unfortunately, most people who are attract to the cult have serious personal issues or mental illness anyway. The result can be deadly.

    Best regards,

    SandraC

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