Need Help with Info Sheet

by Nickey 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Nickey
    Nickey

    My somewhat "inactive" mother says she's getting the feeling that I'm losing my faith in the WTS and has asked me to explain to her. Problem is, I locked up because it's been so recent and my mother can be quite intimidating. She's a "see it to believe it" person and has suggested that I show her proof. I try to explain and speak, but I get pinned up and nervous because I'm newly learning myself.

    I sat and thought about it a while and decided to just give her a "info sheet" maybe 2-3 pages long, that we can study together and ask questions. I'm convinced, but she's still thinking that WTS is "the truth" and that something must be wrong wit her for having feelings of doubt. So, she wanted me to show and teach her what I've learned and to give her an explanation for my disbelief in the organization. For now, she seems to have an open mind. And I feel that now is the time to act on that... an act out of love for my mother. Because I don't want to see her hurt and depressed anymore over what she's feeling about the society. She's at the KH right now out of fear. I've decided not to go, but I kno when she get's back, she's going to ask me why I did what I did.

    I know where to look and research. But I was wondering if I could get some tips and info on how to present it and where to start. Maybe learns something new that I haven't found out yet. I wrote up a draft, but I want it to be an honest fact sheet and easy to understand. I've done a numbered list of things for her to read and look up for herself. But it's so.... well, I just need some help. lol

    A basic info sheet with all WT refereces that she can look up for herself. It's important that the scriptures and comments quoted are from the WT publications and NWT bible.

    I'm only doing this because she's asked me, and I don't want to pass on the oppotunity...

    Edited by - Nickey on 29 December 2002 18:21:32

  • twinkletoes
    twinkletoes

    Hi Nickey,

    I realise that you're asking for help to compile a list, my husband and I have compiled a big file (indexed for each category UN, False Prophecies etc) - quite a thick file !! but I was wondering if you have Ray Franz book "Crisis of Conscience", the evidence that Ray sets out is taken mostly from the Watchtower's own books and magazines, what an eyeopener for any witness, we have recently bought this book for some JW friends, they have both read it and are now convinced that it's the organisation that's apostate, and have decided not to go anymore.

    I'm sure the info in Ray's book would be very helpful for you and your mum

    Twink

  • Nickey
    Nickey

    Hmm, yeah that sounds like a good idea. I forgot about that book. Maybe I'll pick that up from the library. I hope it's there. Or I'll just order it somewhere.

    Thanks Twink!

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Here are some links for you that will give you more than enough information about Jehovah's Witnesses for your info sheet.

    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES: A CRITICAL ANALYSIS
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/

    This site would make an excelent study form to print out. The artiles are short enough and will allow you to stick to one subject at a time. Look up all references in her WT mags and bound volumes. If you don't have the WT articles - check out Shaun's site for photo docs.

    Shaun's Research on the Jehovah's Witnesses
    (Site Contains Photo Documentation )
    http://www.jwfiles.com/index.htm

    My home page - Has lots of links to valuable information
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/5385/Links1.html

  • Nickey
    Nickey

    Thanks NewLight, I'll be sure to read those websites as well. :)

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped

    Hello Nickey!

    I have been working on a huge massive Info Sheet for a while now.

    It is not completed yet, but I think you might find it very helpful.

    How much Control do the Leaders of the Watchtower Society have over the average Jehovah's Witnesses?

    "Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God" (The Watchtower June 15th 1957 Issue, Page 370)
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    "Rather than being critical, let us maintain a spiritually healthy view of the information received through personal study and congregation meetings." (The Watchtower, September 15th 2002 Issue, Pages 16-18)
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    "Strong faith, in turn, fortifies us to obey Jehovah, even when his requirements seem to go contrary to human reasoning." (The Watchtower October 1st 2002 Issue, Page 16)
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    "....[Jehovah's Witnesses] must recognize and accept this appointment of the "faithful and discreet slave" and be submissive to it." (The Watchtower October 1st 1967 Issue, Page 590)
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    "God uses The Watchtower to communicate to his people: it does not consist of men's opinions" (The Watchtower January 1st 1942 Issue, Page 5)
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    "We must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our Mother." (The Watchtower May 1st 1957 Issue, Page 274)
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    "Showing respect for Jehovah's organization really resolves itself down to our attitude toward God's visible channel and the trust that we place in our proved, faithful brothers. If we have become thoroughly convinced that this is Jehovah's organization, that he is guiding and directing his people, then we shall not be unsettled by anything that happens."

    "We will not 'forsake our mother's teaching' by immediately beginning to criticize and find fault...."

    "....gratefully and willingly show our respect for Jehovah's organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our heavenly Father...." (The Watchtower May 1st 1957 Issue, Pages 283-285)
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    "At times, some bring to the attention of the "slave" class various doctrinal or organizational matters that they feel ought to be revised. Certainly, suggestions for improvement are proper, as are inquiries for clarification."

    "The proper spirit after offering suggestions is to be content to leave the matter to the prayerful consideration of the mature brothers directing the work in Jehovah's organization. But if those making the suggestions are not content with that and continue to dispute the subject in the congregations with a view to getting others to support them, what then? That would create divisions, and could subvert the faith of some. So Paul counsels: "Keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them." Paul also counseled Titus to "reprove those who contradict," adding: "It is necessary to shut the mouths of these, as these very men keep on subverting entire households by teaching things they ought not.... For this very cause keep on reproving them with severity." -Romans 16:17, 18; Titus 1:9-13." (The Watchtower June 1st 1982 Issue, Page 20)
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    "It is true that some points are difficult to grasp at first, but instead of complaining or arguing about them.... it may be better to leave it alone for a while, waiting further clarification...."

    "....we must avoid complaining even about small things...." (The Watchtower August 1st 1967 Issue, Pages 469-470)
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    "If we do not see a point at first we should keep trying to grasp it, rather than opposing and rejecting it and presumptuously taking the position that we are more likely to be right than the discreet slave."

    "We should meekly go along with the Lord's theocratic organization and wait for further clarification...." (The Watchtower February 1st 1952 Issue, Pages 79-80)
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    "If we have love for Jehovah and for the organization of his people we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the Bible says, 'Believe all things,' all the things that the Watchtower brings out, in as much as it has been faithful in giving us knowledge of God's purposes...." (Qualified to be Ministers Book, 1955, Page 156)
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    "....today the power of appointment of all servants in congregations rightfully rests with the governing body of the "faithful and discreet slave" class, which is under the direct supervision of Christ Jesus at the temple." (The Watchtower June 1st 1955 Issue, Page 333)
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    "Newcomers must learn to fall in line with the principles and policies of the New World society and act in harmony with them. Sometimes it becomes rather difficult for some of our new associates to make the change. They are prone to be a little rebellious or unruly. But to become genuinely a part of the New World society it is Imperative that proper respect for theocratic arrangement and order be shown. A humble, obedient mental attitude is required." (The Watchtower June 1st 1956 Issue, Page 345)
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    "Who controls the organization, who directs it? Who is at the head? A man? A group of men? A clergy class? A pope? A hierarchy? A council? No, none of these. How is that possible? In any organization is it not necessary that there be a directing head or policy-making part that controls or guides the organization? Yes. Is the living God, Jehovah, the Director of the theocratic Christian organization? Yes!" (The Watchtower November 1st 1956 Issue, Page 666)
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    "....the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind." (The Watchtower October 1st 1967 Issue, Page 587)
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    "Although walking with confidence in Jehovah's leadership may not be easy at times...To turn away from Jehovah and his organization, to spurn the direction of the 'faithful and discreet slave,' and to rely simply on personal Bible reading and interpretation is to become like a solitary tree in a parched land." (The Watchtower June 1st 1985 Issue, Page 20)

    What does the Bible say about this?

    John 8:32: You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

    2nd Corinthians 3:17: Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

    Galatians 5:1: Stand firm in the freedom by which Christ has made us free, and don't be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

    Galatians 5:13: For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don't use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.
    Galatians 5:14: For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

    1st Corinthians 7:23: You were bought with a price. Don't become slaves of men.

    2nd Corinthians 1:24: Not that we [the Apostles] have lordship over your faith, but are fellow workers with you for your joy. For you stand firm in faith.

    1st Peter 5:1: I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and who will also share in the glory that will be revealed.
    1st Peter 5:2: Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, exercising the oversight, not under compulsion, but voluntarily, not for dishonest gain, but willingly;
    1st Peter 5:3: neither as lording it over the charge allotted to you, but making yourselves examples to the flock.

    James 1:25: But he who looks into the Perfect Law, the Law of Freedom, and continues, not being a hearer who forgets but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in what he does.
    James 1:26: If anyone among you thinks himself to be religious while he doesn't bridle his tongue, but deceives his heart, this man's religion is worthless.
    James 1:27: Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

    Matthew 20:25: But Jesus summoned them, and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
    Matthew 20:26: It shall not be so among you, but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.

    Matthew 23:8: But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers.
    Matthew 23:9: Call no man on the Earth your father, for One is your Father, He who is in Heaven.
    Matthew 23:10: Neither be called masters or lords, for One is your Master and Lord, the Christ.
    Matthew 23:11: But he who is greatest among you will be your servant.
    Matthew 23:12: Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
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    Is Independant Thinking allowed inside the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization?

    Avoid Independent Thinking

    Avoid.... questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization.

    How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. (The Watchtower January 15th 1983 Issue, Page 22)
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    ....some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?

    "Fight against independent thinking." (The Watchtower January 15th 1983 Issue, Page 27)
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    "Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions." (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 17)
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    "As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by rejecters of Jehovah's table...." (The Watchtower July 1st 1994 Issue, Pages 12-13)
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    "Jehovah's witnesses, though international, are 'one heart and soul,' of the 'same mind' and the 'same line of though.'" (The Watchtower August 1st 1960 Issue, Page 474)
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    "....in Jehovah's organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing...." (The Watchtower June 1st 1967 Issue, Page 338)
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    "....the Watchtower study conductor, who presides over this meeting, has an important responsibility. This study enables all to be united in the same line of thought." (The Watchtower August 1st 1972 Issue, Page 458)
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    "Thus, the one who doubts to the point of becoming an apostate sets himself up as a judge. He thinks he knows better than his fellow Christians, better also than the 'faithful and discreet slave,' through whom he has learned the best part, if not all that he knows about Jehovah God and his purposes." (The Watchtower August 1st 1980 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Do you wisely destroy apostate material?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 12)
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    "Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 14)
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    "First of all, there is the matter of being obedient and ready to respond to encouragement. When direction and encouragement come from the proper source, it is only right that we should respond readily."

    "We also remember that one feature of 'the wisdom from above' is being 'ready to obey.' (James 3:17) These are qualities that all Christians are encouraged to put on. Due to background and upbringing, some may be more given to independent thinking and self-will than others. Perhaps this is an area where we need to discipline ourselves and 'make our mind over' so that we can perceive more clearly what the 'will of God' is. Romans 12:2." (The Watchtower, February 1st 1987 Issue, Page 19)
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    "In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: ;'The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.' But a spirit of independent thinking does not prevail in God's organization, and we have sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us." (The Watchtower September 15th 1989 Issue, Page 23)
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    What does the Bible say about this?

    Acts 17:10: The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Beroea. When they arrived, they went into the Jewish synagogue.
    Acts 17:11: Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

    1st John 4:1: Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    Proverbs 14:15: A simple man believes everything, But the prudent man carefully considers his ways.

    Ephesians 4:13: until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
    Ephesians 4:14: that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;
    Ephesians 4:15: but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ
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    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 30 December 2002 0:8:56

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    Nickey,

    HiThis is the mentally ill, paranoid Schiz mother? Nickey, this may not be a good idea, she could become psychotic on u. I know u want to help your mom, but her mind may not be able to deal with this info. She is safe in her world now, and if u attempt to bring her out of it, well at the very least she'll be unpleasnt to u. Also, do u care if the elders know about this? B/c she is probalby talking to them as we speak.

    I know u care about your mom, to have put up with all this. But be careful, she may become very paranoid .

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped
    What is the "Theocratic Warfare Strategy" which all Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to use?

    "A lie is a false statement made by one to another one who is entitled to hear and to know the truth, and which false statement tends to work injury to the other. A false statement made for the purpose of deceiving and working injury to another is a deliberate and malicious lie." (Riches Book, 1936, Page 177)
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    "Rahab of Jericho was under no oath in Jehovah's name to tell the facts to the king's officers and hence was not a false swearer or a false witness." (The Watchtower February 1st 1956 Issue, Pages 88-89)
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    "Use Theocratic War Strategy"

    "A WITNESS of Jehovah was going from house to house in Eastern Germany when she met a violent opposer. Knowing at once what to expect she changed her red blouse for a green one in the very next hallway. No sooner had she appeared on the street than a Communist officer asked her if she had seen a woman with a red blouse. No, she replied, and went on her way. Did she tell a lie? No, she did not. She was not a liar. Rather, she was using theocratic war strategy, hiding the truth by action and word for the sake of the ministry."

    "In this she had good Scriptural precedent. Did not Rahab hide the Israelite spies by both action and word? Did not Abraham, Isaac, David and others likewise hide the truth at times when faced with a hostile enemy? They certainly did, and never do we read a word of censure for their doing so. Rather, we read of their being termed exemplary servants of Jehovah. Their actions were in line with Jesus' wise counsel: "Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves."-Matt. 10:16"

    "At times [a Jehovah's Witness who takes the witness stand in court] may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God's work."

    "...hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him..."

    "So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good."

    "Today God's servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God's servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God's kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work." (The Watchtower May 1st 1957 Issue, Page 285)
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    "Gods Word commands: Speak truth each of you with his neighbor (Eph. 4:25). This command, however, does not mean that we should tell everyone who asks us all he wants to know. We must tell the truth to one who is entitled to know, but if one is not so entitled we may be evasive."

    "As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God's foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God's cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God's enemies." (The Watchtower June 1st 1960 Issue, Pages 351-352)
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    "In warding off the immediate threat, Hezekiah agreed to pay tribute to Sennacherib, and he even cut off the overlaid doors and doorposts from Jehovahs temple, in order to make this payment (2 Ki. 18: 13-16). No doubt this was part of Hezekiahs theocratic war strategy, a move to gain time, and to put him in a better position to grapple with the enemy. Likewise, today, there are occasions when Jehovahs Witnesses have to move cautiously in preserving their God-given right to true worship" (The Watchtower March 15th 1968 Issue, Page 170).
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    "Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person"

    "While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it." (Aid to Bible Understanding Book, 1971 Edition, Pages 1060-1061)
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    "LIE"

    "The opposite of truth. Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person."

    "While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. Jesus Christ counseled: "Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open." (Mt 7:6) That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. (Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10) Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from nonworshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light. -Ge 12:10-19; chap 20; 26:1-10; Jos 2:1-6; Jas 2:25; 2Ki 6:11-23." (Insight on the Scriptures Book Volume 2, 1988, Pages 244-245)
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    "If a Christian is asked to submit to something that would be a violation of Gods higher law, the divine law comes first; it takes precedence [and if a court] ... authorized the forcing of a blood transfusion on a Christian ... Christians must take the same stand that the apostle Peter did; we must obey God as ruler rather than men--Acts 5:29 ... [and must be] absolutely determined to obey God even if a government directed them otherwise"

    "[A twelve year old Jehovah's Witness] would fight any court-authorized transfusion with all the strength she could muster, that she would scream and struggle, that she would pull the injecting device out of her arm and would attempt to destroy the blood in the bag over her bed. She was firmly resolved to obey the divine law." (The Watchtower June 15th 1991 Issue, Page 31).
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    "Sarai could say that she was Abram's sister because she really was his half sister. (Genesis 20:12) Furthermore, he was not under obligation to divulge information to people who were not entitled to it. (Matthew 7:6) Faithful servants of God in modern times heed the Bible's command to be honest. (Hebrews 13:18) They would never, for instance, lie under oath in a court of law. When the physical or spiritual lives of their brothers are at stake, such as in times of persecution or civil distress, however, they heed Jesus' counsel to be "cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." -Matthew 10:16; see The Watchtower, November 1, 1996, page 18, paragraph 19." (The Watchtower August 15th 2001 Issue)
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    "Of course, being truthful does not mean that we are obligated to divulge all information to anyone who asks it of us. Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never ... turn around and rip you open, warned Jesus, at Matthew 7:6. For example, individuals with wicked intent may have no right to know certain things. Christians understand that they are living in a hostile world. Thus, Jesus advised his disciples to be cautious as serpents while remaining innocent as doves. (Matthew 10:16; John 15:19) Jesus did not always disclose the full truth, especially when revealing all the facts could have brought unnecessary harm to himself or his disciples. Still, even at such times, he did not lie. Instead, he chose either to say nothing or to divert the conversation in another direction.Matthew 15:1-6; 21:23-27; John 7:3-10" (Awake! February 8th 2000 Issue, Page 21)
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    "This fact cannot be overemphasized: We are in a war with superhuman foes, and we constantly need to be aware of this." (The Watchtower January 15th 1983 Issue, Page 22)
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    "Unfortunately, some "unreasonable men" in [governmental] authority persecute us or oppose us in other ways - such as by promoting smear campaigns against us. Still, in Jehovah's due time, their lies are always exposed, and their "ignorant talk" is effectively muzzled." (The Watchtower November 1st 2002 Issue, Page 17)
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    "Officially, the [Jehovah's Witness] church denies all knowledge of the concept of theocratic warfare" (A Reporter's Comment from the Australian Sunday Program Television Show)
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    What does the Bible say about this?

    Revelation 22:15: Outside [in the Lake of Fire] are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    Revelation 21:8: But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the Lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

    Proverbs 19:5: A false witness shall not be unpunished. He who pours out lies shall not go free.

    Exodus 23:1: "You shall not spread a false report. Don't join your hand with the wicked to be a malicious witness.
    Exodus 23:2: You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; neither shall you testify in court to side with a multitude to pervert justice
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    Jehovah's Witnesses who Publicly Question, Doubt, Criticize, or Speak Out Against ANY Watchtower Policy or Teaching, will be "Disfellowshipped" (Excommunicated) and Shunned by their Jehovah's Witness Family and Friends, and are then labeled as "Apostates", and the Watchtower teaches that if you are Disfellowshipped when Armageddon comes, God will destroy you:

    "Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say `Hello' or `Goodby' to [the Disfellowshipped person]. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him." (The Watchtower March 1st 1952 Issue, Page 141)
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    "We must hate (the Disfellowshipped person) in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider (the Disfellowshipped person) as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest." (The Watchtower October 1st 1952 Issue, Page 599)
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    "In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?"

    "We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."

    "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."

    "The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof."

    "...if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped."

    "If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences."

    "Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped."

    "...to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person - no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: "If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah's sanctified nation]." (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping."

    "The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man's law and God's law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the congregation's disfellowship order-no, none of that for the faithful one! If the faithful suffers in some material or other way for the faithful adherence to theocratic law, then he must accept this as suffering for righteousness' sake."

    "The purpose of observing the disfellowship order is to make the disfellowshiped one realize the error of his way and to shame him, if possible, so that he may be recovered, and also to safeguard your own salvation to life in the new world in vindication of God. (2 Thess. 3:14, 15; Titus 2:8) Because of being in close, indissoluble natural family ties and being of the same household under the one roof you may have to eat material food and live physically with that one at home, in which case 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 and 2 John 10 could not apply; but do not defeat the purpose of the congregation's disfellowship order by eating spiritual or religious food with such one or receiving such one favorably in a religious way and bidding him farewell with a wish for his prosperity in his apostate course." (The Watchtower November 15th 1952 Issue)
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    "Generally speaking, it would be desirable for us to have no contact with disfellowshiped persons, either in business or in social and spiritual ways." (The Watchtower December 1st 1952 Issue, Page 735)
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    "in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the [Disfellowshipped] person" (The Watchtower July 15th 1961 Issue, Page 420)
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    "[Disfellowshiping] serves as a powerful warning example to those in the congregation, since they will be able to see the disastrous consequences of ignoring Jehovah's laws. Paul said: "Reprove before all onlookers persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear." 1 Tim. 5:20." (The Watchtower July 1st 1963 Issue, Page 411)
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    "[The members of the congregation] will not converse with such one or show him recognition in any way. If the disfellowshiped person attempts to talk to others in the congregation, they should walk away from him. In this way he will feel the full import of his sin.... the disfellowshiped person who wants to do what is right should inform any approaching him in innocence that he is disfellowshiped and they should not be conversing with him." (The Watchtower July 1st 1963 Issue, Page 413)
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    "In the case of the disfellowshiped relative who does not live in the same home, contact with him is also kept to what is absolutely necessary. As with secular employment, this contact is limited and even curtailed completely if at all possible."

    "We should not see how close we can get to relatives who are disfellowshiped from Jehovah's organization, but we should 'quit mixing in company' with them."

    "What if a person cut off from God's congregation unexpectedly visits dedicated relatives? What should the Christian do then? If this is the first occurrence of such visit, the dedicated Christian can, if his conscience permits, carry on family courtesies on that particular occasion. However, if his conscience does not permit, he is under no obligation to do so. If courtesies are extended, though, the Christian should make it clear that this will not be made a regular practice.... The excommunicated relative should be made to realize that his visits are not now welcomed as they were previously when he was walking correctly with Jehovah." (The Watchtower July 15th 1963 Issue, Pages 443-444)
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    "If the excommunicated husband insists on offering prayer at mealtimes, the dedicated members of the household would not say "Amen" to the prayer, nor would they join hands as some have the custom, as this would be participating spiritually. They could bow their heads and offer their own silent prayer to Jehovah." (The Watchtower July 15th 1963 Issue, Page 446)
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    "In faithfulness to God, none in the congregation should greet such [Disfellowshipped] persons when meeting them in public nor should they welcome these into their homes." (Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making Book, 1972 Edition, Pages 172-173)
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    "...do you know how to hate? These very strong words are an expression of godly hate, and you too must have this quality to be pleasing to God. Hate causes a feeling of disgust to well up inside you. You loathe, abhor, despise the object of your hatred." (The Watchtower July 15th 1974 Issue, Page 442)
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    "[The Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses are to be hated] in the sense of avoiding them as we would poison or a poisonous snake." (The Watchtower June 15th 1980 Issue, Page 8)
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    "Thus, the one who doubts to the point of becoming an apostate sets himself up as a judge. He thinks he knows better than his fellow Christians, better also than the 'faithful and discreet slave,' through whom he has learned the best part, if not all that he knows about Jehovah God and his purposes." (The Watchtower August 1st 1980 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Persons who make themselves not of our sort by deliberately rejecting the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses should appropriately be viewed and treated as are those who have been disfellowshiped for wrongdoing."

    "...they would not want to have... fellowship with an expelled sinner (or one who has renounced the faith and beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, disassociating himself). The expelled person has been rejected, being self-condemned because of sinning, and those in the congregation both accept God's judgment and uphold it. Disfellowshiping, however, implies more than ceasing to have spiritual fellowship. -Titus 3:10, 11."

    "Paul wrote: Quit mixing in company... , not even eating with such a man. (1 Cor. 5:11) A meal is a time of relaxation and socializing. Hence, the Bible here rules out social fellowship, too, such as joining an expelled person in a picnic or party, ball game, trip to the beach or theater, or sitting down to a meal with him." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Pages 23-24)
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    "...Korah, Dathan and Abiram rebelled. Jehovah confirmed that he was dealing through Moses and Aaron, not through these religious rebels. Then Moses told the people to get away from the rebels' tents. What would the children and households of Korah, Dathan and Abiram do? Would they put loyalty to family ahead of loyalty to Jehovah and his congregation? Most of those closely related to the rebels put family before God. Jehovah executed these relatives along with the rebels. Num. 16:16-33." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 26)
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    "The second situation that we need to consider is that involving a disfellowshiped or disassociated relative who is not in the immediate family circle or living at ones home. Such a person is still related by blood or marriage, and so there may be some limited need to care for necessary family matters. Nonetheless, it is not as if he were living in the same home where contact and conversation could not be avoided. We should keep clearly in mind the Bibles inspired direction: Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person... , not even eating with such a man. 1 Cor. 5:11."

    "Christians related to such a disfellowshiped person living outside the home should strive to avoid needless association, even keeping business dealings to a minimum." (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 29)
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    "Great care needs to be exercised that a person's situation as a disfellowshiped sinner is neither overlooked nor minimized. As the sons of Korah well demonstrated, our chief loyalty must be to Jehovah and his theocratic arrangement. We can be sure that when we uphold his standards and prefer association with his organized people, rather than with wrongdoers, we will have his protection and blessing. -Ps. 84:10-12."

    "Normally, relatives are often together at meals, picnics, family reunions or other social gatherings. But when someone has unrepentantly pursued sin and has had to be disfellowshiped, he may cause difficulties for his Christian relatives in regard to such gatherings. While they realize that they are still related to him, they do not want to ignore Paul's advice that faithful Christians should quit mixing in company with an expelled sinner."

    "If a disfellowshiped relative comes to the Kingdom Hall for the wedding, obviously he could not be in the bridal party there or give away the bride. What, though, if there is a wedding feast or reception? This can be a happy social occasion, as it was in Cana when Jesus attended. (John 2:1, 2) But will the disfellowshiped relative be allowed to come or even be invited? If he was going to attend, many Christians, relatives or not, might conclude that they should not be there, to eat and associate with him, in view of Paul's drections at 1 Corinthians 5:11."

    "Would upholding God's righteousness and his disfellowshiping arrangement mean that a Christian should not speak at all with an expelled person, not even saying 'Hello'? And we all know from our experience over the years that a simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?" (The Watchtower September 15th 1981 Issue, Page 30)
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    "...if someone is disfellowshiped, he must at the time have had a truly bad heart and/or been determined to pursue a God-dishonoring course. Peter said that the condition of such a person is worse than before he became a Christian; he is like 'a sow that was bathed but has gone back to rolling in the mire.' " (The Watchtower January 1st 1983 Issue, Page 30)
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    "But human emotions and attachments can have a powerful effect, making it difficult for people to act in accord with the disfellowshiping decree if a relative is involved."

    "... the expelled mate has proved that he is not the sort of person that we want to be around... So maybe a visit can be made when the disfellowshiped one is known to be out of the house." (The Watchtower January 1st 1983 Issue, Page 31)
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    "We have been forewarned that there will be apostates and people who just like to have their ears tickled. Counsel such as at 2 John 9-11, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 Timothy 3:5 allows no room for associating with those who turn away from the truth. Nor do we purchase or read their writings." (The Watchtower December 15th 1984 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Such ones willfully abandoning the Christian congregation thereby become part of the "antichrist." (1 John 2:18, 19)"

    "A person who had willfully and formally disassociated himself from the congregation would have matched that description." (The Watchtower December 15th 1984 Issue, Page 31)
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    "Now, what will you do if you are confronted with apostate teaching - subtle reasonings - claiming that what you believe as one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not the truth? For example, what will you do if you receive a letter or some literature, open it and see right away that it is from an apostate? Will curiosity cause you to read it, just to see what he has to say? You may even reason: "It won't affect me; I'm too strong in the truth. And, besides, if we have the truth, we have nothing to fear. The truth will stand the test." In thinking this way, some have fed their minds upon apostate reasoning and have fallen prey to serious questioning and doubt."

    "Do you wisely destroy apostate material?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 12)
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    "Why is reading apostate publications similar to reading pornographic literature?" (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 14)
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    "Beware of those who try to put forward their own contrary opinions." (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 17)
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    "Therefore, resolve in your heart that you will never even touch the poison that apostates want you to sip." (The Watchtower March 15th 1986 Issue, Page 20)
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    "Why have Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?"

    "Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." (New International Version)"

    "Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one's independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all!"

    "Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity - oneness in teaching and activity - could be and would be possible.-Ephesians 4:11-13."

    "Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah's Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth."

    "simply professing to have such beliefs [in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ] would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

    "Approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?"

    "That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a "faithful and discreet slave" upon earth today 'entrusted with all of Jesus' earthly interests,' which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ's foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15-12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ's Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present "great crowd" of Jesus' "other sheep."-John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4."

    "{The Apostle] John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."-2 John 7, 10, 11."

    "Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.)" (The Watchtower April 1st 1986 Issue, Pages 30-31)
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    " "Cutting ourselves off completely from all association with (my disfellowshipped sister) Margaret tested our loyalty to Jehovah's arrangement. It gave our family opportunity to show that we really believe that Jehovah's way is best." -Lynette."

    "God's fatherly discipline, which can affect our spiritual lives, can take many forms. One is his arrangement to exclude from the Christian congregation a person who no longer wants to live by God's standards, or who refuses to do so. A person who is thus strongly chastised or disciplined may repent and turn around. In the process, the congregation of loyal ones are also disciplined in that they learn the importance of conforming to God's high standards. 1 Timothy 1:20."

    "Occasionally... a person deviates from the path of truth. For example, despite help from Christian elders, he may unrepentantly violate God's laws. Or he may reject the faith by teaching false doctrine or by disassociating himself from the congregation. Then what should be done?"

    "shunning would be appropriate... for anyone who rejects the congregation [of Jehovah's Witnesses]"

    "So the direction at 2 John 11 could well mean not to say even "hello" to such ones"

    "We can be... sure that God's arrangement that Christians refuse to fellowship with someone who has been expelled for unrepentant sin is a wise protection for us"

    "By also avoiding persons who have deliberately disassociated themselves, Christians are protected from possible critical, unappreciative, or even apostate views."

    "Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God's judgments and the congregation's action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue."

    "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], ... not even eating with such a man." 1 Corinthians 5:11."

    "Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God"

    "Lynette's comment about her choice 'to cut herself off completely from all association' with her disfellowshipped sister Margaret. She and her Christian relatives 'believed that Jehovah's way is best.' And it is!"

    "Lynette's sister later told her: 'If you had viewed the disfellowshipping lightly, I know that I would not have taken steps toward reinstatement as soon as I did. Being totally cut off from loved ones and from close contact with the congregation created a strong desire to repent. I realized just how wrong my course was and how serious it was to turn my back on Jehovah.' "

    "In another case, Laurie's parents were disfellowshipped. Yet she says: 'My association with them never stopped but increased. As time went on, I became more and more inactive. I got to the point of not even attending [Jehovah's Witnesses] meetings.' Then she read material in The Watchtower of September 1 and 15, 1981, that stressed the counsel of 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2 John 9-11. "It was as if a light bulb were turned on in me," she writes. 'I knew I would have to make some changes. I now better understand the meaning of Matthew 10:34-36. My decision was not an easy one for my family to swallow, for my son, five, is the only boy, and they love him dearly.' It is hoped that losing such association will touch the parents' hearts, as it did Margaret's."

    "What may seem harsh to outsiders is both necessary and really a loving thing to do." (The Watchtower April 15th 1988 Issue)
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    "Many try to portray the beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses as dogmatic and restrictive. When answering questions about your religious beliefs and practices, emphasize the fact that you have formed your beliefs and adopted your practices after much study and reflection your religion is not simply a matter of rules which have been imposed by the elders. You want to emphasize the fact that you are a thinking, well-balanced, and reasonable individual who is competent to act as a parent. Avoid any response which gives the impression that you are unwilling or unable to provide for your child's best interests because of your religious beliefs." (Preparing For Child Custody Cases Booklet published by Jehovah's Witnesses)
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    "Disfellowshipped and disassociated ones are shunned by those who wish to have a good relationship with Jehovah."

    "Basic Scriptural counsel on the proper view of those who have been expelled from the congregation is set out in the apostle Paul's words at 1 Corinthians 5:11- 13."

    "John counsels against speaking to or associating with a disfellowshipped or disassociated person so as not to be "a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 11)" (Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock, Confidential Elders-Only Rule Book, 1991 Edition, Page 103)
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    "Former friends and relatives might hope that a disfellowshipped one would return; yet out of respect for the command at 1 Corinthians 5:11, they do not associate with an expelled person." (The Watchtower April 15th 1991 Issue)
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    "Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah's organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparable attached themselves to the badness." (The Watchtower October 1st 1993 Issue, Page 19)
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    "Why is it loving to expel an unrepentant wrongdoer from the congregation? Doing so is an expression of love for Jehovah and his ways. (Psalm 97:10) This action shows love for those pursuing a righteous course because it removes from their midst one who could exercise a bad influence on them. It also protects the purity of the congregation." (The Watchtower July 15th 1995 Issue)
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    "...we must not only "be obedient" but also "be submissive" to those taking the lead. The Greek word for "be submissive" literally means "be you yielding under." Commenting on the expressions "be obedient" and "be submissive," Bible scholar R. C. H. Lenski says: "One obeys when one agrees with what he is told to do, is persuaded of its correctness and profitableness; one yields . . . when he has a contrary opinion." When we understand and agree with the direction of those taking the lead, obedience may come readily. But what if we do not understand the reason behind a particular decision?"

    "Here is where we may need to be submissive, or yielding. Why? For one thing, we need to trust that these spiritually qualified men have our best interests at heart. After all, they well know that they must render an account to Jehovah for the sheep committed to their care. (James 3:1) In addition, we do well to remember that we may not know all the confidential facts that led them to an informed decision.-Proverbs 18:13."

    "What about being submissive when it comes to judicial decisions? Granted, this may not be easy, especially if a decision is made to disfellowship someone we love-a relative or a close friend. Here again, it is best to yield to the judgment of the "gifts in men." They are in a position to be more objective than we can be, and they may know more of the facts."

    "...[the elders] must also keep the congregation clean, and the Bible directs that they disfellowship unrepentant wrongdoers. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13) In many cases the wrongdoer himself accepts the decision. The discipline may be just what he needs to come to his senses. If we, his loved ones, are submissive when it comes to the decision, we may thereby be helping him to benefit from the discipline." (The Watchtower March 1st 1998 Issue)
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    What About Slanderous Publicity?

    "At times, Jehovah's Witnesses have been the target of distorted information in the media. For example, on August 1, 1997, a Russian newspaper published a slanderous article claiming, among other things, that Witnesses categorically require members to 'reject their wives, husbands, and parents if these do not understand and do not share their faith.' Anyone who is truly acquainted with Jehovah's Witnesses knows that the charge is false. The Bible indicates that Christians are to treat unbelieving family members with love and respect, and Witnesses endeavor to follow that direction. (1 Corinthians 7:12-16; 1 Peter 3:1-4) Even so, the article was printed, and many readers were thus misinformed. How can we defend our faith when we are falsely accused?" (The Watchtower December 1st 1998 Issue, Page 17)
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    "As for disfellowshipped relatives not living in the same household, Jehovah's Witnesses apply the Bible's counsel: "quit mixing with them." " (Taken from the Official Jehovah's Witnesses Media Website at http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm)
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    "The bond between family members can be very strong. This brings a test upon a Christian when a marriage mate, a child, a parent, or another close relative is disfellowshipped or has disassociated himself from the congregation."

    "How to Treat Expelled Ones: God's Word commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation"

    "Jesus was... instructing his followers not to associate with expelled ones."

    "This means that loyal Christians do not have spiritual fellowship with anyone who has been expelled from the congregation. But more is involved. God's Word states that we should 'not even eat with such a man.' (1 Cor. 5:11) Hence, we also avoid social fellowship with an expelled person. This would rule out joining him in a picnic, party, or trip to the shops or theatre or sitting down to a meal with him either in the home or at a restaurant."

    "What about speaking with a disfellowshipped person?"

    "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowhipped person?"

    "The fact is that when a Christian gives himself over to sin and has to be disfellowshipped, he forfeits much: his approved standing with God;....sweet fellowship with the brothers, including much of the association he had with Christian relatives."

    "Former spiritual ties have been completely severed. This is true even with respect to his relatives, including those within his immediate family circle....That will mean changes in the spiritual fellowship that may have existed in the home. For example, if the husband is disfellowshipped, his wife and children will not be comfortable with him conducting a family Bible study or leading in Bible reading and prayer."

    "The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home"

    "It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative."

    "Loyal Christians should strive to avoid needless association with such a relative, even keeping business dealings to an absolute minimum."

    "Sometimes Christian parents have accepted back into their home for a time a disfellowshipped child who has become physically or emotionally ill. But in each case the parents can weigh the individual circumstances."

    "Will he bring 'leaven' into the home?"

    "Cooperating with the Scriptual arrangement to disfellowship and shun unrepentant wrongdoers is beneficial."

    "After hearing a talk at a [Jehovah's Witnesses] circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact. Shortly thereafter, his mother began attending meetings and was eventually reinstated. Also, her unbelieving husband began studying and in time was baptized [as a Jehovah's Witness]." (Our Kingdom Ministry August 2002 Issue [Monthly Internal Publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses])
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    What does the Bible say about this?

    Matthew 5:43: "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.'
    Matthew 5:44: But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
    Matthew 5:45: that you may be children of your Father who is in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
    Matthew 5:46: For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
    Matthew 5:47: If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
    Matthew 5:48: Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

    Proverbs 25:21: If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; If he is thirsty, give him water to drink

    Romans 12:20: Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him a drink. For in doing so, you will heap coals of fire on his head."
    Romans 12:21: Don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

  • Nickey
    Nickey

    wednesday,

    Yeah, I've thought of that. The thing is, she's really pressing me to "explain myself". A simple "No" isn't enough. And it's become even more hard because she's started to go back to the meestings. A first in nearly 2 years. I decided not to go today, but it really bothered her that I didn't go. She's wanting to know why I'm "acting this way" and wants to know what's "wrong". I never have an answer because I know how she'll twist my words and make me feel so small.

  • UnDisfellowshipped
    UnDisfellowshipped
    What do the Jehovah's Witnesses teach about Rape?

    "What is the position of a Christian woman... if faced with a... situation [of being attacked by a rapist]? Is she to scream even if an attacker threatens her life with a weapon?"

    "But suppose the man had a weapon and threatened to kill the girl if she failed to lie down with him?"

    "[The Bible] plainly says she should scream; hence, oppose the attack regardless of the circumstances."

    "Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God's commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man's passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame. There would be shame, not only from the repulsiveness of the experience, but of having been coerced into breaking God's law by having sex connections with one other than a legal marriage mate."

    "Of course, there is the possibility that... the attacker may strike his victim or inflict a superficial wound to silence the screams, yet would not the endurance of such physical punishment be insignificant compared to the disgrace and shame of submitting to an immoral man?"

    "A Christian woman is entitled to fight for her virginity or marital fidelity to the death."

    "For a Christian woman to persist in going out alone in a city or locality where women are frequently attacked is to invite trouble and needlessly endanger life." (The Watchtower January 15th 1964 Issue, Pages 63-64)
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    "If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist?"

    "As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help."

    "Resistance is imperative, because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah's laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication."

    "Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to "flee from fornication." (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case."

    "Christian women are wise if they do all they can to avoid making themselves targets for rapists."

    "In unsafe areas avoid traveling alone after dark."

    "Also consider how you dress. If a woman adopts the provocative, suggestive styles of dress now so prevalent, she indicates that she is a woman of loose morals, and in so doing she may invite trouble." (The Watchtower June 1st 1968 Issue, Pages 345-350)
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    "Scream! Scream! Scream! Is that good advice? It certainly is."

    "[The rapist] ordered the other [Jehovah's Witness woman] into the bathroom but then changed his mind and, warning her not to scream or yell, he reached for the zipper on her blouse. She exclaimed: "No! No! Not that!" and told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before and that if he was going to shoot he might as well go ahead and shoot because if she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow."

    "She told him that marriage was honorable before God and that she was married, but that what he wanted to do was not honorable. Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned."

    Why the Increase [in Rape Crimes]?

    "Womankind must share the blame."

    "A new American motion picture star who aims to occupy the place once held by America's previous sex symbol brags about her charms and about her ability to arouse men by displaying herself in motion pictures. Such actresses must also share in the blame for the increase in rapes, for after men have seen them on the screen they frequently go out and attack a woman who may be a paragon of virtue."

    "...each virtuous woman should be careful to dress modestly. According to the Seattle, Washington, police lieutenant in charge of the department dealing with such crimes, women who "reveal everything" in the way they dress make themselves more vulnerable to rape. "You can't advertise a commodity and expect no buyers . . . A little modesty," he holds, would prevent some rapes." (Awake! March 8th 1974 Issue, Pages 13-16)
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    "Back in March 1974, Awake! magazine described how a man with a gun had held two of Jehovah's Witnesses prisoner in a hotel room. As he reached for the zipper on one girl's blouse, she exclaimed: "No! No! Not that!" She told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation. (Compare Deuteronomy 22:22-29.) Her firm demand: "Don't you touch me or come near me" kept the rapist at bay."

    "This woman did the Scripturally proper thing, which actually is the best thing to do. A Christian woman is under obligation to resist, for the issue of obedience to God's law to "flee from fornication" is involved. (1 Cor. 6:18) By no means would it be proper for her willingly to submit to being raped." (The Watchtower October 15th 1980 Issue, Page 7)
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    "Should a Christian quietly submit [to rape]?"

    "No, the situation is not the same as when a man simply is asking for money or other material possessions. A woman wisely would give him these. But the rapist is asking a person to break God's law by committing fornication. Under such circumstances a Christian is obligated to resist."

    " 'But could not resistance be dangerous?' someone may ask. Yes, it could be."

    "Two young women were in a Laundromat when a man came in and at gunpoint herded them into a room in the rear of the building. He ordered them to undress. They refused, praying aloud to Jehovah God for help. Finally, they told the now-confused gunman that they were Jehovah's Witnesses and that it was against their religious belief to do what he was demanding; they would not do it even if he shot them. Result? The frustrated gunman fled."

    "Treat [the Rapist] Respectfully"

    "The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behavior. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly, as a fellow human."

    "Because the man had his hand inside his coat, as if he had a gun, I said, 'If you are going to kill me, do it.' He said he had a gun and would shoot me if I did not do everything he commanded. He told me to turn off all the lights and sit on the couch. I turned off the lights but refused to sit on the couch. He said he would kill me if I did not let him rape me. Then he started pushing me to the couch, so I quoted Matthew 16:26, which says: 'For what benefit will it be to a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul? or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?' "

    "The man stopped pushing me and asked what the scripture meant. So I explained that if I resisted him and remained faithful to my God and my husband, and was killed for this faithfulness, I would have a hope of being resurrected to a Paradise earth and everlasting life. But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection."

    "The intruder knew he was not going to talk me into letting him rape me, so he started pulling at my clothing. I remembered the scripture at Deuteronomy chapter 22 that says if you are attacked in the city and do not scream it is considered the same as consenting. I then said very loudly, 'Stop! Please! No! Don't do that! Mister, please leave my house!' "

    "If a woman is attacked, her best weapon is still her lungs" (Awake! February 22nd 1984 Issue, Pages 24-27)
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    "the requirement of Deuteronomy 22:25-27 for the woman to resist by screaming would clear her from any suspicion of such consent on her part." (Awake! June 8th 1984 Issue, Page 28)
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    "Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment:"

    "...Your conscience will be clear. (Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God)... " (Awake! May 22nd 1986 Issue, Page 23)
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    "If a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicates she is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah." (Awake! August 22nd 1989 Issue, Page 24)
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    "There are, of course, limits to cooperation. Jehovah's servants do not cooperate in any way that violates God's law. For example, a Christian would not willingly submit to rape." (The Watchtower December 15th 1998 Issue)
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    Here is an August 2nd 2002 Comment by J.R. Brown (Watchtower Society's Main Spokesman) in an Interview with Reporter, Michael Morris (mikepence), over the Phone:

    Question asked by Michael Morris (mikepence): "Is requiring a woman to scream during a rape a 'reasonable position to take'?"

    Answer by J.R. Brown: "We feel that is a reasonable position to take. We've had a fairly consistent Policy. If this [screaming and resisting sexual assault] has been done, then we are not going to view that, obviously, as some immorality."

    J.R. Brown and Michael Morris (mikepence) did not discuss whether Jehovah's Witnesses require a child to scream during a rape or not.

    Michael Morris (mikepence) said this after the Interview: "Would I be compromising my objectivity to admit that I need to go puke in disgust?"
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    "Screaming when threatened with rape is still viewed as a practical course." (The Watchtower February 1st 2003 Issue, Question From Readers)
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    Compare that Teaching with Jesus Christ:

    John 8:2: Now very early in the morning, [Jesus] came again into the Temple, and all the people came to Him. He sat down, and taught them.
    John 8:3: The Scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman taken in adultery. Having set her in the midst,
    John 8:4: they told Him, "Teacher, we found this woman in adultery, in the very act.
    John 8:5: Now in our Law, Moses commanded us to stone such. What then do You say about her?"
    John 8:6: They said this testing Him, that they might have something to accuse Him of. But Jesus stooped down, and wrote on the ground with His finger.
    John 8:7: But when they continued asking Him, He looked up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."
    John 8:8: Again He stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground.
    John 8:9: They, when they heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest, even to the last. Jesus was left alone with the woman where she was, in the middle.
    John 8:10: Jesus, standing up, saw her and said, "Woman, where are your accusers? Did no one condemn you?"
    John 8:11: She said, "No one, Lord." Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more."
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    What do the Jehovah's Witnesses teach about Women?

    "...the facts show that the headship of a man is both somatically and psychologically sound and in the best interests of all concerned, even as we shall see. Thus a leading authority on the human body (soma), Gray's Anatomy (1966 Edition), tells the interesting fact that as regards the human skull there is no difference between the male and the female until the time of puberty; but then as adulthood is reached the difference becomes more and more apparent. The female skull is lighter and its cranial capacity is about 10 percent smaller than that of a male, even as is the rest of the anatomy. The contour of the female skull is also more rounded and the facial bones are smoother. Apparently, with the lines of beauty goes less rugged strength."

    "True, mere brain size in itself is not as important as brain quality, but where the quality is the same the larger brain size has an advantage. Thus Science News, April 1, 1967, told of twenty African children who were so extremely undernourished in the first few years of their lives that "head circumferences...averages an inch less that the others, indicating smaller brain." And over the years all these were found to have verbal, mathematical and perceptual capabilities far below those of other children. Implicit in these findings is that man is advantaged by a greater brain size."

    "That it is in the best interests of both sexes for man to take the lead is also supported by psychological evidence. One of New York city's leading psychiatrists and psychoanalysts, Dr. Marie N. Robinson, in one of her books, which deals with certain frustrations of married women, skillfully demonstrates by case histories that many of these particular frustrations can be ended if women will but recognized the fact that the way their bodies are made gives evidence that it is intended for man to be the head. As she expresses it, women must learn the art of "eternal acquiescence" and "deep altruism" in dealing with their husbands if they want to find happiness."

    "...an abundance of [a woman's sensitive and gentle] qualities does not go hand in hand with those needed for leadership and meeting stern challenges."

    "As every woman in the prime of life is well aware, she has certain difficult days each month during which she cannot give of her best and during which she very much appreciates her husband's showing her consideration. But if she had responsibilities of oversight and was required to hold forth regularly on the public platform regardless, either her performance or her health would suffer."

    "[Man's role in life] is a difficult assignment, but for it he has also been equipped." (Awake! August 22nd 1967 Issue, Pages 27-28)
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    "The body of elders may decide that the construction work [on a new Kingdom Hall] can be done entirely by the brothers... But you need not be a skilled worker to volunteer. There will be much work to be done, such as preparing the site, bringing supplies, installing certain things, cleaning and so forth. And sisters may volunteer for lighter tasks and for preparing food for the workers." (Our Kingdom Ministry [Internal Monthly Publication] May 1976 Issue, Page 5)
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    "...in chess you have to be a fighter..."

    "This helps to explain why there are no topflight women chess players" (Awake! March 22nd 1973 Issue, Page 13)
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    What does the New Testament say about this?

    Galatians 3:26: For you are all children of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.
    Galatians 3:27: For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    Galatians 3:29: If you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise.

    Revelation 1:6: and He [Jesus Christ] made us [All Christians -- Male and Female] to be kings and priests to His God and Father; to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

    Also, who did Jesus first reveal that He was the Messiah (Christ) to?

    John 4:5: So He [Jesus] came to a city of Samaria, called Sychar, near the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son, Joseph.
    John 4:6: Jacob's Well was there. Jesus therefore, being tired from His journey, sat down by the Well. It was about the sixth hour.
    John 4:7: A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, "Give Me a drink."
    John 4:8: For His Disciples had gone away into the city to buy food.
    John 4:9: The Samaritan woman therefore said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?" (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)
    John 4:10: Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."
    John 4:11: The woman said to him, "Sir, You have nothing to draw with, and the Well is deep. From where then have You that living water?
    John 4:12: Are You greater than our father, Jacob, who gave us the Well, and drank of it himself, as did his children, and his cattle?"
    John 4:13: Jesus answered her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again,
    John 4:14: but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never thirst again; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."
    John 4:15: The woman said to Him, "Sir, give me this water, so that I don't get thirsty, neither come all the way here to draw."
    John 4:16: Jesus said to her, "Go, call your husband, and come here."
    John 4:17: The woman answered, "I have no husband." Jesus said to her, "You said well, 'I have no husband,'
    John 4:18: for you have had five husbands; and he whom you now have is not your husband. This you have said truly."
    John 4:19: The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a Prophet.
    John 4:20: Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship."
    John 4:21: Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father.
    John 4:22: You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews.
    John 4:23: But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be His worshippers.
    John 4:24: God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
    John 4:25: The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah comes," (He who is called Christ). "When He has come, He will declare to us all things."
    John 4:26: Jesus said to her, "I am He, the One who speaks to you."
    John 4:27: At this, His Disciples came. They marveled that He was speaking with a woman; yet no one said, "What are you looking for?" or, "Why do you speak with her?"

    The reason the Disciples marveled, was because the Pharisees taught that it was wrong to speak to women in public, and that it was wrong to even walk next to women, even your own wife!

    The Pharisees also taught that it was wrong to even teach women about the Scriptures.

    Also, who did Jesus appear to first when He was raised up from the dead?

    John 20:14: When she [Mary Magdalene] had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing, and didn't know that it was Jesus.
    John 20:15: Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?" She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, "Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away."
    John 20:16: Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned and said to Him, "Rhabbouni!" which is to say, "Teacher!"

    Here is a list of some of the women who had the gift of Prophecy:

    Miriam (Exodus 15:20), Deborah (Judges 4:4-5), Huldah (2nd Kings 22:14), Noadiah (Nehemiah 6:14), Anna (Luke 2:36-37), Isaiah's Wife, and the daughters of Philip the evangelist (Acts 21:8-9).

    No one is supposed to "lord it over" any other Christian (male or female):

    Matthew 20:25: But Jesus summoned them, and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
    Matthew 20:26: It shall not be so among you, but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.
    Matthew 20:27: Whoever desires to be first among you shall be your bondservant,
    Matthew 20:28: even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give His Life as a Ransom for many."
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    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 30 December 2002 0:45:46

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