Watchtower lies through their teeth.

by GeddyLee 40 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  GeddyLee

  I just returned from some nice R@R in Cancun Mexico. While I was their I had some time to go downtown to their municipal offices, and confront one of their officials face to face on whether the Jehovahs witnesses were ever banned in their country.Having read crisis of concsience , I have always been interested in finding out the truth of this matter for myself. Whether they were actually under a ban, or was it the Watchtowers way of holding on to their real estate. I was told that he would look into this and that I should return in a couple of days. Well , who would have guessed? He said that he investigated going back about twenty five years, and that the Jehovahs witnesses were never under any ban, and in fact they were encouraged in his country. Funny because back in 1990 I was in Cancun with my family, and went to a Kingdom hall , and we were told we would have no prayers, or sing any songs, because the work was under ban at the time. Rotten, money grubbing, corporation, I caught ya!!

  Edited by - geddylee on 31 December 2002 19:12:17

  Edited by - geddylee on 31 December 2002 19:12:56
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  Stan Conroy

  Hey Geddy,

  Remember the first time you ever saw Crisis of Conscience?

  Stan
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  Golden Girl

  I guess I am dense tonight. Was this ban ever announced in a publication of the WTBTS?. Was it just that KH.?

  How would money be envolved? Was that just an expresion of the WTBTS?

  Also..why would they not pray? They could have said a silent prayer? I can't believe a ban would keep them from praying?...Especially in the 90's?

  Not doubting you ..just don't understand how this would happen in the 90's?

  Weren't smoking anything down there were you?

  Snoozy.......
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  GeddyLee

  Hello Stan, Yes I do remember very well that it was you that showed me that book for the first time, I also remember how afraid of getting caught with it I was. My how things change. Hey this reminds me, do you recall a few new years eves ago, you making out with the real stans grand daughter, right in front of her passed out husband??????? By the way shouldnt the le fever boys be showing up any time soon?
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  larc

  As I recall from Ray's book, he never said they were banned. He said that they beat the system calling themselves a social club instead of a religion.
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  GeddyLee

  They said they were a social group so that they could retain ownership of their real estate. Religious groups were not allowed to own property at the time, so this was a way around the system. They told the Mexicans brothers they were under ban, so they werent allowed to sing or pray at their meetings.
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  Stan Conroy

  Hi Geddy,

  I can honestly say that I don't remember that incident. Having said that, I definitely don't deny it either. So I'm confused. Now that I'm Stan, does that mean I was making out with my own granddaughter?

  As for the Le Fever's, they should be here soon.

  Stan
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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Ok,Not to be a dolt cause I have not read C of C yet.

  Did Ray Franz say there were not under ban in Mexico even though they claimed this?

  Just wondering.

  I suppose I should get the book but till then just humor me and fill me in.

  U_R

  Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 31 December 2002 23:54:55
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  Marcos

  Hi GeddyLee,

  You said:

  They said they were a social group so that they could retain ownership of their real estate.

  I never did attend a kh here in Mexico but when I was at the (Spanish Language) hall I attended in Dallas and at the Brooklyn Headquarters we were told that the WT was registered in Mexico at that time, late '60s and early 70's, as a "cultural organization" (Asociacion Cultural, I think). They may have mentioned that it was done to be able to retain title to property. I can't remember. It seems logical.

  But yes, they probably did tell the brothers that they were being persecuted. Sounds about right. I can't really ask anyone here because, well you know, I don't want to sully any of the witnesses by talking to them.

  Marcos
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  abbagail

  I definitely remember this during the early/mid '80s, that something "terrible" was going on in Mexico. It was definitely discussed at meetings. They would stress we should appreciate our freedom and take advantage of it as someday we may NOT be able to use our Bibles, sing, pray, etc. It seems to me it was in the same time-frame as the Malawi problems. (I do not recall if they said Praying or Singing was banned in Mexico. It seemed to me they said the Mexican brothers could not use their Bibles. I could be wrong, but something FISHY was happening over there, OR we were TOLD something terrible was going on, I AM sure about that. Sorry, I cannot remember if it was NO praying or singing or Bibles or all three).