by stephenw20 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Oh please.
Prayer is, and always has been welcome in school.
You just do it. Prayer is not really a group activity.
Bring back prayer my arse. If your kid feels the need to pray, he or she can do it at any time. If your kid feels the need to get a group of kids together to pray, your kid might need to rethink just what it is they believe about God.
EX
"You assume that all of the threatened kids in this situation were praying. Do you not think it is possible
that some were not?" Sure its possible................what would you be doing.?
"You link this tragic but isolated incident to the issue of whether to have Judeo-Christian prayer in schools."
I dont link anything to anywhere...it was simply passing on the view of a fther in front of congress.
the link was made by him.........choice is wonderful.......pushed to the limit...........my experience tells me they will pray............ this gentleman was asking fo rthe room to make it possible......
if there is no higher self, or higher power.......explain the miracles that happen...
the plane in china, how life finds a way....... how spirit within us.trained and motivated......conquers........
please tellme
S
Expat,
Your last comment brought tears to my eyes.
As far church and state, they are to remain sepearate, imo. I know in Florida a couple years ago they had a moment of silence, which the students may use anyway they see fit. Some prayed but it was to be used as they saw fit.
My daughter's teacher is a very vocal christian. On the first parent night we had(which was 3 months into the school year) she told all of us parents she teaches christianity to the children in her class. If we had a problem, we were to take it up with the school board. She has been doing this for 26 years, and noone is going to stop her.
I decided to sit back and wait. Actually it has helped start some good conversations with my daughter. Which she in turns shares with her teacher, which I am sure she is not happy about, heehee.
Such as recently my daughter talking about heaven, to me, including giving me details about it. I asked her, "Why do you believe in heaven?" Her response was, "Mrs.**** says it is true" Ok, so how do I tell her that when Mrs. **** teaches her lessons on the alphabet she should believe, but when she tell her about heaven she should decide for herself? Well I handled it the best I could and actually turned into over an hour of discussion. Which I loved
My point is, there are some basic truths in this world, such as reading, writing, and 'rithmatic. Everything else should be decided at home. Especially for our children. I think as adults we are better able to handle the concept of deciding for ourselves. But small children take what an adult says as truth.
I have no problem with a moment of silence in school. I think it is good to have time to reflect on our thoughts. Sometimes school is the only place children recive a reprieve from their battered lives. But to demand that church and state be combined, well that goes against everything America stands for. And the reason it was started in the first place.
wendy
Expat when Stephen was getting stoned he prayed did he
not? Did it do him any good? Now I hate to do this cause
your soo cute but what the hey your married. This country
was founded by christains. In fact all but one of the men who
signed the original documents was a freemason, much like
the founders of the watchtower.As the org. fights for freedom
of speech and religion the fight really is just so they could be
free not for anybody else. Look at all of us here who have excerted are freedom were we free to do it? Even though
the org. fought so hard for it. Now back to the country our
money says in GOD we trust. I ask what GOD. The pledge
says one nation under GOD. Again I ask what GOD. The
founders were not Hindu-Buddhist-Islamic- they were
christians with a new and improved faith and you were
a loud to be free if you worshiped much like they wanted
you to. The real Americans were many nations with each
having many gods not the christain GOD . They were free
to be slaughtered, by the christians. What of our century?
Well the elite christians who run the country decided
that we couldn't "BOMB" the Nazi's because they were
white and christain. Instead we sacrificed all green enlisted
men on the beaches of Normandy. The bodies were stacked
ten high and rows upon rows deep. If there was T.V then
IKE wouldn't have been a war hero or ever president.
Ah but the Japanesse, the american japanesse were rounded
up and put into concentration camps. These were americans
how come german americans weren't treated the same.
The germans were christians the japanesse we had no clue.
Now the biggie who are the only people ever to be"BOMBED"
yes it was the japanesse. The reason they say is because
we would have lost to many men to invade. I wonder what
the moms and dads whose green sons died on Normandy
beach thought.The japanesse were bombed because just
like the indians we didn't respect the gods they worshipped
so much for freedom of religion.You can hear Ritchie Havens in
the background singing'Freedom-Freedom-Freedom' The father
only mentioned pray once in his poem also said a simple one.
The piont I believe he was trying to make[to the old rich men
in Washinton that make are laws] is America is lost and we
need to be spiritually awakened, if they can do anything to
make the road curve that way he would be very thankful.
There is one way one truth and one life and it is OUR LORD
JESUS CHRIST if this father just brings one more person
into the light because of his speach well he's preached
the'GOOD NEWS' has he not?
Peace and Love to All-Mark
A couple of points,
Most of our founding fathers were not Christians. They were Secular Humanists.
We bombed the Janpanese because they were fanatic zealots who would die rather than being taken prisoner. In a war that they started with us, we had every right to save as many of our own lives as possible, and the A bomb permitted that.
One other point,
The A bomb was not yet developed when we hit the beaches of Normandy. At that time we were in a close race with Germany to develope it, by the way.
EXpat,
I apologise i had not read the last line of your last post......
Mommy did a good job bringing it to our attention......TY:)
In response I say this.........
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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It has been effective apparently in the past........So I would say yes the prayers were effective, .......
if your point of referrence is simply human...... the solutions will be that as well, I prefer to look beyond that.......
caio~
s
Stephenw20, what do you mean?
the link was made by him.........choice is wonderful.......pushed to the limit...........my experience tells me they will pray............ this gentleman was asking fo rthe room to make it possible......
??? Since when have kids in school not had room to pray???? In emergencies or otherwise???
:the plane in china
What??????????? What the hell are you talking about; miracle?
6,
I am not going to get into a long winded debate about room to pray...children are not given space to..its not part of their day.....
its rather discouraged rather than encouraged...this is not about religion...... and the power of suggestion for impressionable minds is quite effective.....
the plane i china , which had our service men/women on it.. had few intsruments, and no way to stop the plane, beyond the brute strength the pilot could muster(and whatever other energies where with him) to stop the plane, it was going 200mph when it touched down.........
if there are no angels, no god , no savior
is it allby chance?
Larc- your humanists treated the red man and the black man
as such? I think not. But at least Jesus sacrifice paid for
them to. They were not dogs to HIM.
Japanesse were fanatical You mean the Nazi's weren't?
Maybe we just didn't comprehend the japanesse's belief
of dieing[ free to worship how they choose right].
Also didn't the Nazi's sink our ships first drawing us into
Euorpe's war.
Also the greatest spokesmen of the founding fathers believed
we should have a revolotion every 25 years or the citizens are
not doing there job and the government will become to poweful.
Yes just if Jesus walked into the Tower today they would label
HIM an apostate and blasphiemer so to if Jefferson walked
onto the senate floor he would be charged with treason and
locked up for life. Well thats if they didn't shoot him first.
Piont-Russell wanted the congragations to self rule no
big brother org. Also Jefferson wanted very limited government
and as such locally we as individuals could decide if
we want our local schools to have pray in them not some old
rich B*******ds up in washington worried about how much
money they need to take in today so they can get relected tomorrow.
Peace and Love to All-Mark
