Yizuman
Jehovah's Witness Policy Being Challenged In Court
by Yizuman 6 Replies latest social current
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reporter
As much as I despise litigiousness, I definitely see the need for the courts to be involved here. What bugs me, is that the molesters can case other joints, so to speak, out in "service", looking for more victims. It will be hard, however, fighting the unpaid WTS volunteer lawyers with equivalent paid ones, and the WTS is excellent in finding snakes who can slither through any argument and flummox multiple judges. Afterall, it's "theocratic warfare!"
This quote was there: The oppressive organization does not represent historical, Biblical Christianity in any way.
Spiritual terrorists, is more like it. On the contrary, they represent the Pharisees and the Saducees, who were by definition anti-Christian. (or anti-Christs, if you take it that far.) Legalism at its finest. -
Pistoff
When those society lawyers get to court, there is NO semblance of christian principles evident by their behavior. I am close to one of the litigants in Minnesota, and here are the tactics of the society's lawyers:
1. Denying that ANY meetings ever took place between the victim and the elders; it is well documented by the victim and her still active father.
2. Denying that the victim WAS EVER a witness or a member of the congregation she spent almost 10 years in!! The father in this case has somehow rationalized why the society is doing this; I have never seen such credulity in my life.
3. Denying that the society directs the local congregations in house to house activities, or that the monies collected in donations form part of the society's financial picture.
So, basically, their policy is to lie their faces off. I am trying to see if I can get the responses to the victim and post them online; I would love to send them to all of my relatives so that they can see what the org is up to.
Unbelievable.
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Curious Mind
It will be hard, however, fighting the unpaid WTS volunteer lawyers with equivalent paid ones, and the WTS is excellent in finding snakes who can slither through any argument and flummox multiple judges. - Reporter
I think your underestimating the abilites of lawyers and especially legal arguments, ofcourse it remains the onus of the Plaintiff to "prove" the allegation, but there are many finely trained lawyers who combined with their moral indignation will be more than challenging to any lawyer the WT can provide. Lawyers are parents too!! ( Yes they breed)
am trying to see if I can get the responses to the victim and post them online - Pistoff
Well Pistoff, attend the trial if possible and take notes and post them yourself, most trials are open for the public to attend and there is nothing illegal in taking your own notes (unless it is a closed court). The other alternatives are monitor newpapers, or convince someone you know thats a lawyer to do some research of 'westlaw' for you. Its a web site, available to lawyers (inc international ones) that provides all USA court decisions, usually within half on hour of being made. It might sound familiar to you if you watch The Practise, yes it does exist in real life. Or you could keep posting this as an enquiry and hope that another 'postate has access to westlaw. Email me if you want more info.
Cheers Curious Mind
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hawkaw
Curious ... the problem with these cases is not the evidence that it occurred.
The key problem .. is there a "duty of care"? Reeves lost because the court did not find a duty.
But this Fitzwater case is different as the WTS was told over and over that he was a sicko and instead of dfing him, they promoted him to be an elder, or agent, of the corporations.
It is my not so humble opinion Fitzwater should be a slam dunk for Kim Norris as I believe the WTS had a duty of care to properly investigate this man before they promoted (or assigned him) to M.S. then elder and of course they had a duty to supervise him while being an elder. They were warned and to this day the WTS refuses to believe Fitzwater did anything wrong even though the guy is rotting in jail.
This is by far ... the one case ... that if I were the WTS I would settle at all cost. Like I mean I would wave the mega mega mega bucks around so fast it would make your head spin. But after being through the Vicki Boer case, arrogance will rule the day with these bozos and well .... I sure hope someone likes a printing press.
hawk
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Curious Mind
Hawk.... I'm unable of obtaining the full artical and have no back ground knowledge, so if the case hasnt previously been to court, it should first be in the decided in the criminal court, then it can become a civil matter.
So when dealing with criminal law it is a matter of evidence - the question being whether the defendant committed the said act. If the matter is civil - then its a matter of duty of care as this is the primary issue and must be favourably decided before the matter can continue. So in civil, the question becomes whether the WT has a duty of care, and then to whom is this duty owed, only to members of the WT or to the wider community, ( this burden is on the Plaintiff). And then it is decided whether the WT discharged their duty of care and how, which must be shown by the defendant.
From your reply it appears that the crim trail has been decide in the Plaintiffs favour and now it is a matter of a civil trial to decide whether any damages/compensation orders can be made. A settlement would probably be in the interest of the WT but no doubt the plaintiff would rather this case be made public and a legal precedent be made, which will hopefully open the way for other abused WT vitims to come forward and be rightly compensated, afterall you have to hit them where it hurts and sadly it appears to be the pocket as they have no heart, compassion or christian love.
Curious Mind
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hawkaw
Hi curious ...
Don't count on the fact that the plaintiff's want to make a case public. There is already enough precedent setting cases from other churches cases when it comes to this Fitzwater case.
There is a lot to a trial including the punishing reliving of the event under cross examination. It takes a person with a lot of courage to do it. So a lot of clients will settle.
hawk