IS GOD DOING ENOUGH ?

by Blueblades 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    GOD has long been accused of " Not Doing Enough "

    Have you ever seen the look in someones eyes,of having been wounded,hurt,and ,worst of all disappointed.Perhaps their trust was betrayed.It wasn't fair,it was not right,it wasn't called for.They had a dagger placed in their already fragile heart.

    Or, have you ever held the hand of someone you love as they passed on and you suffered with them as they gasp their last breath.

    Or,has the last visit to the doctor brought you devatating news.Procedures and options were laid out before you like a menu as you tried to cope with all that was said moments ago about your condition.Unwelcome statistics and visions of treatment and suffering dance across your mind like flames in a fire.

    Questions pile up in innumerable amounts, and again you wonder.....Why would a loving God do this?If He's really there can't He stop the madness we experience in the course of this life?

    Have you had these questions burning in your heart?Is God doing enough? Blueblades

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    Maybe this is a testing ground to find out what our charactor is. I don't know, I don't have all the answers. I figure there must be a good reason.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    Well, first of all, one could reason that there is no "God" and that's why "he" does nothing to end suffering. Even Mother Teresa started wondering why "God" did nothing towards the end of her life, or even if God existed.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    The world would be a far better place if "spiritual" people would reach a little deeper with their questions, get a little beyond their own existance and wonder about even far more heartwrenching questions than those (very valid questions) you posed. And then, having asked the tough questions, and having seen that there are not answers, would just get on with making their own corner (and anywhere else they can reach) a little kinder, gentler place.

    Edited by - SixofNine on 18 January 2003 21:57:32

  • Introspection
    Introspection

    For whatever reason I've never had this question come up - I hear it from others of course but it has never been a concern of mine. I have, however, seen the suffering of other people as I'm sure all of us has.

    I don't see the usefulness of saying is God doing enough or not, or if God exists or not. This is all piecemeal viewpoints, and if we really want to understand we need to look at the big picture as they say. What we can say reasonably regardless of one's world view is that the world doesn't make sense through your view of God in your belief/thought system, which is simply to say your system does not adequetly explain a reality we all can perceive as plain as day. To focus on one factor like whether God exists or what your idea of God is is like focusing on one particular type of food when you need to lose weight, whereas just in the area of diet alone there are other things to take into consideration, not to mention your level of physical activity and exercise. When you only look at one thing you assume everything else, it's like someone asking you "Why are you such a jerk??" That question assumes you're a jerk, and that it's only a question of degree. If one really wants to understand, only an open ended question will do, like "What is this? What is life?" or "What is suffering?" It's not a matter of coming up with answers for that matter, because to have an answer brings a sense of finality, like you've got it all figured out now. There's a lot of talk about questioning things, but inevitably it seems even those recommending this course of action will rest if you come to an answer that they have settled on - you become a member of the 'right' answer club rather than someone who seeks to understand the truth. That's fine if you just want an answer, but if you want to understand it's going to be a bit more involved.

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    I think the real question is,"Is God doing anything at all? " I would really like to see any religion produce a real God event, one that would not be questionable. Of course I can't demand God to do anything but I sure would like him to love me enough to give me some reason to beleive he does exist somewhere. The WT teachings has ruined my faith to the point I don't have any left, and this hurts my contentment and peace of mind.

    Ken P.

  • Francois
    Francois

    IMHO, which I feel sure is shared by many on this board, true spirituality is the real goal of human existence; religion is the social expression of like-minded believers in what Introspection has so accurately called an "answer club." Look at the JWs for instance. If you want to be a member in good standing in their answer club, you've got to profess a belief in each and every detail of each and every answer, or you've failed to pay your club "dues." You fail to display the required uniformity and you are kicked out. An extremely immature level of spirituality, as we've all agreed elsewhere and about the spirituality of which we've all voted with our feet.

    Religion does very little in my opinion to answer Introspection's questions, many of which are as old as the human race.

    Spirituality, on the other hand, can and does answer those questions for those who have acquired a level of spiritual maturity and insight. The Master did indeed say that, "the kingdom of heaven is within you." So then the process of spiritual maturation consists in fostering and conserving a real and living link with that inner "kingdom" or inner presence of God (and you must know I don't mean Jehovah). When once you have touched this inner presence, when you have "seen the light," the living luminosity of the indwelling spirit of God, then there is an immediate and direct knowing. The symbols and analogies and indirect knowing of answer clubs is replaced by a timeless certainty and from this comes gnosis and with it "peace that passes all understanding" and awareness of the Infinity of the Love of God for each of his children of evolutionary origin.

    When once a seeker after spirituality has touched this reality, s/he can communicate the experience with others who have had the same experience virtually without words. The details of their experience may be different, but the two people are in unity regarding the experience. So that with someone of like experience, no words of explanation are necessary; with someone who has not had that transcendent experience, no amount of words would suffice. It is a sad thing, among all the other sad things regarding JWs, that they so thoroughly misunderstand and confuse the differential meaning of the words uniformity and unity. They have done so much harm to so many by thinking these two words mean the same thing.

    And now, sneaking up on my point, I merely mean to say that no answer club can address Introspection's plaintive questions. The questions deal with transactions beyond the physical realm of life and of knowing, and penetrate the borderland of the spiritual. When a person has become a measure more spiritualized as a result of even the briefest contact with the indwelling spirit of God, answers to the subject questions seem so obvious. And obvious, too, becomes the meaning of the observation that we now "see through a glass darkly" but can expect to see clearly the actual reality of the truth and meaning of all that The Master said.

    So this is my opinion about an approach to Introspection's question. I hope it did some good to someone. I realize it may come across as a smidgen arcane, but I've thought an awful lot about his questions myself over the years and this is the best I can come up with.

    Oh, and by the way, have any of you reading this had the experience with the indwelling spirit to which I have alluded? I'd certainly like to know if you have.

    francois

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    Francois,

    Isn't what you describe, the same as what Quakers (Society of Friends) believe?

  • Francois
    Francois

    Kenneson, if it is, I'm unaware of it. Many religions, though, believe in an indwelling spirit of God. It may be that so many religions teach this because of the likelihood that it's maybe true. Is that what you mean by your question?

    francois

  • ISP
    ISP

    Suffering is all part of life. From what i can see.....its the normal expected kinda life.....take a look around. If bad things don't happen......great. But its a matter of time before they do.

    ISP

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