A modest proposal: A national Do Not Call list

by Skimmer 39 Replies latest jw friends

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  stephenw20

  Mustang and Skimmer(are you real or just an angel of light.....in any case welcome!)

  I say from what you have presented here lets doit. The FACT that they have a PRECEDENT already inplace for dealing with DNC , recognizes they ACCEPT the right of refusal by anyone who does not wish to hear from them, and publicly declares such.THis and perhaps only this, is where they have shot themselves in the foot. Law or not they are RECOGNIZING IT.

  If you could , in an innocent way get the media dept( http://www.jw-media.org/)to state their postion on this in letter or publicly, there would be little ground for them to stand since they are declaring it.

  thoughts?

  S
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  stephenw20

  Skimmer,

  I see you have this addressed to Brooklyn, would a :CC to the local cong also be appropriate?

  S
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  Skimmer

  Some technical issues:

  1) How to prevent maliciously made false entries? There might me a few miscreants who would try and sign up their entire street.

  2) A related item is the prevention of mailbombing where a miscreant writes a script to send millions of entries.

  3) What should be done if the Watchtower refuses delivery of the e-mail?

  4) Should the householder's name and/or e-mail address be sent to the Watchtower as part of the form? For that matter, should the site even ask what the householder's name is?

  5) What if their are users who do not have or are unwilling to provide an e-mail address if that is needed for the submission?

  6) Should there be an e-mailed confirmation from the site to the user? Should the user be required to reply? (This is a way to prevent certain types of spamming and abuse.)

  7) Should the site have a database of Kingdom Halls and some kind of mechanism for associating a KH address with the submitted address? Who would provide this?

  8) Should the use of the site be somehow resticted to persons of adult age? (Probably.)

  9) Is it necessary to send a long legal text with every request forwarded to the Watchtower? Wouldn't it be easier for them to process a short standardized address format?

  10) Is there any reason why we sholdn't work with the Watchower to ensure technical compatibilty and ease of processing at their end?

  11) Should there be an e-mail gateway for those who do not have web access?

  12) Should the site keep a master list and/or log files?

  And Lucky 13: Who is willing to assitst in the implementation of the project?
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  stephenw20

  Skimmer if it gets too complicated, peole willbe more hesitant. if they have to give any information ....same would be true.

  Does not one have to ascertain , that the WTBTS will acknowlege this first. some of their webpages indicate they dont accept email.

  the first question and again in the spirit of freedom of religion should be , what is their policy on DNC. Is their one written

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  stephenw20

  FYI

  Just called the Media office. They put you to a switch board which sends you to THE OFFICE that handles such matters..which is in Paterson.

  When I got to the fella, he indicated, that you just have to give him your name, and then THEY can write the congregation. or you can write yourself to the office in Patterson.

  Funny thing is.. I was asked which state I was calling from. at the Patterson switchboard,is there different rules for each?

  THe other option he said, was to contact a local representative of the JWS and just let them know. Very cordial very matter of fact

  At present THIS office(DNC) does not accept Email

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  Yerusalyim

  I'm tired of being a NEWBIE, I want to be a Junior Member, how many times do I need to post to become a "Junior member"?
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  Yerusalyim

  I'm tired of being a NEWBIE, I want to be a Junior Member, how many times do I need to post to become a "Junior member"?
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  VeniceIT

  I think it's a great idea, an national Do not call list!!! HAHHAHAHAH OHHHH YA BABAY!!!!

  You dont' think the WTS would actually pay the fine themselves do you?? NO it would come from donations made to the:

  "Stupid idiots who can't read a territory card" Fund!

  the Rank & File would once again be paying out there own pockets, Not that I think that's a bad thing, it might make them come to there senses sooner, espcially if they knew how wealthy the WTS was and how unwilling they were to use any of 'THEIR' money for a comand "THEY" make!!!

  Ohhhh well I think it's a great idea, we could do a telethon to get the list going.

  "Are you tired of people calling at your door telling you your a heathen and are going to die at Arrmeggedon if you don't join there deystructive mind control cult? The don't delay please call in to add you name to the JW do not call list!!!! Never be bothered by pesky JW's again!!! Call now and revice your complimentary copy of your choice: Crisis of Conscience, Releasing the Bonds, Arrmeggdon Okies, or Reasoning with the Witnesses. Call now our operators are standing by!""

  OHHHHH I can see it now, just think what fun we could have with the entertainment segmanat of hte telethon, ohhhh it's to good to be true!!!

  Venice
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  Skimmer

  Hello stephenw20 and thank you for making the phone call.

  If the WTBTS sees that they are unable to stop a GDNCL, then they will also see that it is in their interest to receive the information via the Internet (e-mail, ftp, whatever) instead of having to process all that paper.

  On the other hand, they may chose to drag their feet on this and insist on paper just to slow down the rushing flood of requests. Also, they probably want to make it as cumbersome as possible for anyone to opt-out, the WTBTS hope being that many won't go to the bother or making a call or wrting a letter.

  There are alternatives besides e-mail, but if the WTBTS is rational, they will prefer an electronic format.

  Alternative 1: The GNDCL queues up requests and then a dump is made daily on paper. The paper is then sent to the WTBTS for them to process.

  Alternative 2: The GNDCL queues up requests and then a dump is made daily on paper. The paper is then read over the telephone to the WTBTS. If a separate phone call is made for each request, I think the WTBTS will quickly tire of all the telephone ringing.

  Alternative 3: Slowly but surely, a contact list of Kingdom Halls is built up and they (also) get paper and phone calls.

  Alternative 4: Legal notices will be regularly posted in the classifieds section of a newspaper (local to Brooklyn) with the appropriate information. (Note: most papers will accept electronic submissions.) Yes, this will add to the overall cost. But I think the WTBTS will want to avoid this because of the associated bad publicity.

  Alternative 5: Volunteers close to Brooklyn can be sent the collected information and then hand deliver it to the WTBTS, perhaps on a daily basis. The JW door wardens will quickly tire of the visits.

  Alternative 6: If the WTBTS insists on being real b*st*rds about things, then volunteers can make visits to as many Kingdom Halls as possible, carrying the paper with them. It would probably be a good thing to show up on Sunday morning to make sure someone was there. And to avoid having one's intent mistaken, the volunteer should not hesitate to make a prominent announcement of purpose and to explain that the visit was necessary only because the WTBTS was refusing to cooperate. The elders will quickly tire of the visits.
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  stephenw20

  Skimmer,

  if it comes to #5 I volunteer.....it would be an honor to deliver such GOOD NEWS!!

  More investigation may be necessary, but I see thay have little choice but to acknowlege it,since they already do.
  It may be appropriate though to in writing , send them a letter and get a confirmation , in writing for them to establish this on paper precedent
  One from each state.

  Mustang may have a thought here.but why hide this......just write them a letter.
  there are 3000 visitors a day here lets take a poll and see what support is there.

  getty up!
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