Should Religion Be Exempt From Ethical Standards?

by AlanF 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    I want to raise this serious question: Should religion be exempt from normal societal ethical standards?

    I'm raising this question for several reasons. There is a recent thread where people are arguing about whether religious confessions should be privileged communications. This raises a question about whether the notion of ecclesiastical privilege is good, bad or indifferent for society in general. There is also a question about whether religions ought to be allowed to break up families or other basic social relationships by issuing shunning orders.

    Since the U.S. was founded, its government has granted special privileges to religious organizations. State governments have granted much more sweeping privileges. Since the 1940s especially in the U.S., courts have tended to rule that government must keep its hands off religion in general. Most western democracies have similar laws and practices.

    I have no gripe about governments leaving religions alone, as long as they behave themselves. But where governments should interfere is where religions overstep the bounds of societal norms as embodied in laws for the protection of people. If a religion teaches that child sacrifice is good, then it should be censured by government because a percentage of believers will act and kill children. That is simple experience with the power of religious belief.

    But this post is not just about stopping religions from doing bad things per se. It is also about not allowing government to grant privileges to any special interest groups that are not granted to individual citizens.

    I have no problem with government allowing tax exemptions to charitable and nonprofit groups, and so to the extent that a religious group fits the definition of "charitable organization" or "nonprofit group", it should get such exemptions.

    I do have a problem with allowing any groups -- lawyer-client privilege excepted -- to be exempt from what individuals are prohibited from doing or are required to do. If laws require individuals to report crime such as child molestation, then that should apply to all individuals, independent of religious affiliation or religious position. The fact that tradition grants privileges such as "ecclesiastical confidentiality" to people employed in certain religious positions is no argument that such tradition should continue.

    Individuals are not allowed to libel or slander others; if they do they are subject to punishment. Individuals may not ethically group together and conspire to alienate the affections of family members one from another. Why should individuals who group together and call their group a religion be allowed an exemption? Certain kinds of activities are defined as "hate crimes" and laws exist in some localities that prohibit groups from teaching anything that often leads to hate crimes. Is not institutionalized alienation of affection a gross example of a hate crime?

    I invite comments on these ideas. Please think about these issues carefully and add anything you think is relevant.

    AlanF

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Should religion be exempt from normal societal ethical standards?

    No. Religion should set normal societal ethical standards.

    Englishman.

  • Sargon
    Sargon

    I think not...

    I think societie's ethical standards are better off if they aviod religion.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Good thoughts, Alan.

    : Certain kinds of activities are defined as "hate crimes" and laws exist in some localities that prohibit groups from teaching anything that often leads to hate crimes. Is not institutionalized alienation of affection a gross example of a hate crime?

    Yes, and your question can also be re-phrased slightly to drive that point home even more: Certain kinds of activities are defined as "terrorism" and laws exist in some localities that prohibit groups from teaching anything that often leads to the terrorizing of others by forced compliance to religious rules, or experience the terror of the destruction of their own families by not complying with those religious rules. Is not the institutionalized inducement of rules that terrify people also a form of terrorism?

    Farkel

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    Religion should be the highest form of ethical standards they should set the norm but they don't they never have unless burning people at the stake for reading their Bibles was entertainment! The Dubs have failed horribly in the ethics department along the vain of Do as I say not as I do

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Well this might be slightly off the intent of the thread, but...Perhaps religions should not be allowed to preach absolutism , not be allowed to make categorical statements, If that were the case it might get rid of a lot of the problems with Bi polarization and MPD, (which a lot of ex dubs that I know suffer from by the way). Religious absolutism is a grave social evil. It should be addressed. As to matters of confession being sacrosanct, etc, I think that should remain the case myself. I think if a person approaches what they percieve as a divine being to unburden themselves,they shouldnt have to expect that their God will rat them to the cops.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Religions should be judged by the same moral yardstick they beat their members with...OUTLAW

  • minimus
    minimus

    "As long as they behave themselves:".....That can get sticky. Do you want the government to determine this? What boundaries will be exercised? Will we invite a police state? I'm very uncomfortable with the government keeping check over religion. Who is so ethical that they can be the guardians over others?......Obviously, we all should practice good ethics.......ALAN F..................I know some here will say I am being UNETHICAL as to how I'm adding on here, but the truth is, I wrote a very good response IMO, but I am past that 20 mark.....SO I WILL HAVE TO ANSWER YOU LATER!!!

    Edited by - minimus on 19 January 2003 18:1:55

  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound

    Religions should not be above the law of society, it's we the people, not we the religions, or corperations.

  • Stephanus
    Stephanus
    Individuals may not ethically group together and conspire to alienate the affections of family members one from another.

    You will find that the courts are reluctant to enforce (or negate) what they call "social" or "family" agreements. And they're right to do so. How would it be if the courts could intervene in a dispute between you and your son, where he hasn't cleaned his room?

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