"N" word at the KH

by sableindian 22 Replies latest jw experiences

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  johnny cip

  all i can say is : being at the kingDUM hall is a spritual PARADISE!!!!!!!!!! JOHN
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  Elsewhere
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  sableindian

  For Dan the Man

  "the Ubangi
  tribe made incisions in the lips to insert increasingly larger diameter
  disks. Both men and women of the upper class engaged in this cosmetic
  alteration."

  The so-called Ubangi (this is a region) lived in the Congo. There used to be a picture of an Ubangi in the "Truth Book". It talked about the lips of the Ubangi. (I forgot why) But Samuel Herd talked about the hair of the Ubangi or rather the hair of the urban Blacks in the 60s wearing the Afro looking like Ubangis. Both men and women Ubangis went bald or near bald. Showing the apparant ingnorance of Mr. Herd. I was studying at the time and my younger brother was with me. First thing that came to my mind was "don't JW preach to Ubangi's also? What is wrong with a Ubangi" My brother on the other hand, after we got in the car began laughing and pointing his finger at a man walking down the street. He then called the man a Ubangi. I think my brother must have been around 13 or 14. I took him home and showed him the picture of the Ubangi. Then I asked him what kind of hair did the Ubangi have. Then I asked him did he think that Mr. Herd knew that or what was his point? And weren't these so called urban Ubangis potential JWs? What's up with that?
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  sableindian

  I don't understand this at all, sableindian. Herd is supposed to be the "token black" on the GB. From your description, his comments don't sound like the good natured kidding that lots of people do to one another. Do you have any ideas?

  Mr. Herd was not kidding around. He was disgusted, not because of the moral decay of the person but because of the hair style. His term, "nappy hair" was not a term of endearment as in the speach of the lady you studied with. But a feeling of disgust for the styles women preferred. It was not HIS preference. He was not MARRIED to these women. Yet, he felt compelled to express his views on the platform in front of hundreds of people. Also unlike the woman who was studying, he was an elder. Your lady friend may just as well had the views of a Klansman. But she was not a pioneer, elder, circuit overseer, district overseer, male family head, or GB aka "annointed". I wonder if Mr. Herd has a name for the child molestors in the congregation. I guess not, as long as the LOOK ok.

  I still have J.R. Brown's recordings. Dynamic speaker. Had a HUGE following. They had to lock him up in Bethel to bring him down. The man could have started his own religion. Scary LOL

  Some of your descriptions triggered memories. I grew up in a Long Island area where the JW congregations were quite mixed racially. I remember where I and my best friend (a young man of extremely mixed racial background; we were only 18 and terribly naive) held Bible weekly studies with a black woman who was a real character. She was a grandmother and was from the deep south. One day she had her grandkids at the house while we did the study. I remember laughing after she told one of them, who was acting up, "Git yo nappy haid outta heah!" She also had a big German Shepherd named Nick that she had to put away when we came because he'd bit us otherwise. One time she was telling us about Nick's having gone after a neighbor. She commented, "He bite me! Ah kick his ass!" And she would, too.

  A guy who posts on this board from time to time (JT) often gives some personal glimpses of some of the black JW officials he knew when he was at Bethel years ago. He knew J.R. Brown, and in some private conversations with me indicated that Brown may have some of the same kinds of issues as Herd seems to. It seems that they try to imitate their white masters too much. Of course, any Bethelite has to do the same to get ahead there, "walking the walk and talking the talk" quite literally. I keep in mind that the older GB members are mostly old white males raised in the U.S. or other English speaking countries, and have many of the traditional stupid mores and prejudices that so many of such people have.

  AlanF
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  Gizmo

  Well I guess racism is still alive and kicking in the JWs, sad.

  But if they have trouble with the African type hair which is really not in their control as genes have something to do with that, I guess The Williams' sisters MOM was making a statement, to the org, when she went to Wimbledon a while back looking like a troll doll with her hair sticking up, and blonde, or was that a wig?

  hmmmmm
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  sableindian

  I must say that it is not the WTBTS that is promoting this kind of thinking. But certain brothers who are looked at as "the word" and thus create a "cargo cult" within the society.

  If you look at the pictures and the information on wigs (hair), the society has always promoted hair texture and styles as close to natural as possible for health. And boy did the brothers get upset when the pictures of the sisters came out with braids. It was hillarious, the words that came out of their mouths trying to explain THEIR interpretation of the WTBS's rendition of beauty. It was horrible in a sense, because the sisters began carrying around the magazines to justify their stance. And it became a committee matter if you were a pioneer and questioned the elder's position. DEEP!
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  Kingpawn

  sableindian,

  There used to be a picture of an Ubangi in the "Truth Book". It talked about the lips of the Ubangi. (I forgot why)

  I remember reading that this is done as a means of making someone more sexually attractive in some areas of Africa. It's considered very desirable among certain tribes.

  I remember an elder in my local cong. (one of the three who later df'ed me) speaking about "big buck [n's]" appearing on porno tapes and videos. (How would he know, if he didn't watch or have "wordly" associations, right?) And the "freeze-out" a racially mixed couple got when they visited us. Maybe that became their wake-up call.
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  waiting

  Racism isn't dead in most areas - it changes as Worldly Society changes. Several people have commented here in the past that the WTBTS tends to be at least one generation behind the world in most issues. Consider their stance on women & children, rape, music.......well, just about anything. The WTBTS picks the issue - then tries to find a scripture to wrap around it.

  I live in middle SC and most of our congregations are 75% black. We have some Spanish congregations also. As compared to 20 years ago - things go much smoother between the races - as in society in general. As compared to 40 years ago, when congregations were segregated by law (and the jw's went along with the segregation) - things are a world different.

  The congregations do try to not be as racial as the world. But it's part of them, just like divorce, incest, violence, etc. But racism is present - it is everywhere in the South. It's just that it's much less than it used to be, imho.

  Btw, the "N" word (which we can say here - and for the newbies - it's "nigger"), has been used on this & other forums before. The white posters defend their use of it. And it has been argued against them heatedly by other whites in general. Blacks seem to understand that those who use those types of words are as ignorant as the words they choose to spew.

  Ignorance knows no bounds. Which includes the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  waiting
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  sableindian

  Kingpawn,

  Big buck meaning really wealthy? or ...?
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  sableindian

  Hello, waiting,

  I noticed you said you live in South Carolina. There is a South Carolinian who was a pioneer in the advancement of racial unity in America. He was born in 1874. And it is not the trailers of what's right that stands out...but the leaders. His name was Louis G. Gregory. I believe there is a museum dedicated to him in Charleston.

  So, it is not what they choose to follow, but who they choose to follow. Jesus would have never chose the course of the WTBS in those days of racial ignorance.