You Do not REALLY Love Me, WT Dec 15

by jgnat 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    A paragraph in next weeks study had me seeing red. Then I thought, why should I have all the fun? Regular readers of Blondie should be able to pick out the manipulative language. There are also fallacious arguments in this paragraph. Can you spot them?

    Of course, many who claim to love God really do not. They may be sincere about strong feelings that well up in their hearts. Such feelings are good, even commendable, when in harmony with accurate knowledge. But they do not in themselves amount to real love for God. Why not? Note how Gods Word defines such love: This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments. Love for Jehovah, then, is genuine only when it is expressed in obedient actions.

    WT Dec 15, 2002

    Draw Close to God for January 26 study.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    You think you do, but you don't, trust us. You're nothing without us. You're nothing unless you're a JW.

    Also, remember to drink the Cyanide Kool-aid on the way out of the Kingdom Hall tonight.

    Vomitous talk.

    ash

  • blondie
    blondie

    jgnat, we do think alike! That was my post on this Sunday's review as to what we had to look forward to next Sunday.

    Yes, it disturbs me and several of the JWs I know to see "worldly" people show true love, give sincerely of their time and money to help people have food, clothing, shelter, medical treatment, yet be condemned to be bird food. Of course, none of that matters compared to "the truth" of the Bible as taught by the WTS. Well, tell me this, what good is the truth if the person dies of malnutrition, easily treatable diseases, exposure, etc. How can you preach to them then?

    One of the new magazines gives an account of the explosion in Nigeria and how the WTS only helped JWs. There was an overflow of donations, too much for the JWs to use, and what did the branch office do, stored it away rather than donate it to the "worldly" people in need.

    Remember the good Samaritan. It is a good thing he didn't just donate or help Samaritans.

    Blondie

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Blondie:

    What magazine had that news item? Do you have the link?

    pistoff

  • Introspection
  • Introspection
    Introspection

    Sorry about the blank post above, got disconnected and can't edit..

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    Love for Jehovah, then, is genuine only when it is expressed in obedient actions.

    Never mind if the actions are genuine, you don't know what love is so you need to be told.

    This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments.

    Well isn't it convenient that the second part of this scripture was left out! The second part of 1 John 5:3 reads: "and yet his commandments are not burdensome."

    If that isn't enough of a clue, lets look at 1 John 4:18: "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love." But you better be afraid that you don't really love God, because you aint being obedient! (never mind to who or doing what)

    Lets go on. 1 John 4:20: "If anyone makes the statement: "I love God," and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen." And of course this brings to mind what Jesus said about the two most important commandments, loving God and neighbor. So it seems to me these two commandments are the ones to observe.

    But of course, many who claim to love God really do not. Why not? Not loving your brother who you can see, being motivated by the burden of fear or motivating others with fear. This, of course, only means they are not observing the commandments of God. Gee, who does that sound like? No wonder 1 John ends with: "Little children, guard yourselves from idols."

  • Xander
    Xander

    to real love for God

    What is 'real love for god', anyway?

    I don't believe in a single all-powerful deity, but whenever I read 'real love for god' I remember sitting in a park. Locally we have a very large arboretum. VERY large, with some gorgeous ponds and pavilions overlooking them. I remember sitting in a bench on one, up on a hill, with a clearing through the forest enough to see the pond. It was early spring, so there was still patches of snow on the ground, although, the green grass was mostly dominant. The smell of wet, muddy earth just filled the brisk, fresh, air. Holden Arboretum has several pavilions with fireplaces in them, and this one was roaring away at the back, even across the room you could feel the warmth and smell the wood burning.

    Across the pond wound one of many paths, and a deer was standing there eating, peaceful as could be. And sitting there, I was too.

    THAT is 'real love for god'. Not a church. Not some religion. Not following a list of rules you had to consult each and every moment of the day.

    Just sitting in a spot, at peace, and thinking of all the good you can do for the world.

    Edited by - Xander on 20 January 2003 15:19:13

  • blondie
    blondie

    Pistoff, here is an article. It happened almost a year ago. It you mean WTS magazine, I think it is either the 3/1/03 or 3/8/03.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/world/main325783.shtml

    Confusion And Anger In Lagos LAGOS, Nigeria, Jan. 30, 2002


    Despite growing public anger, the army said Wednesday it had no immediate plans to move a weapons dump out of a crowded Lagos neighborhood where more than 600 people were killed in a series of huge explosions and the resulting panic.

    The defense minister said earlier that the dump would be relocated after the disaster Sunday night, when explosions at the base in the heavily populated northern suburb of Ikeja propelled shells and other debris for miles around for hours.

    The dump was built decades ago when few people lived in Ikeja and since then has been "swallowed up by the metropolis, and it has become an inappropriate location," Defense Minister Yakubu Danjuma said Tuesday.

    Yet army spokesman Col. Felix Chukwumah said Wednesday he was "not aware" of any plans to relocate the base. He said a decision would likely be taken after a lengthy military investigation.

    Dozens of bodies continued to arrive at city morgues, but officials said they did not have an updated casualty toll on Wednesday.

    The poorly equipped mortuaries have been stretched to the limit and attendants said they feared decomposing bodies could spark an epidemic in the metropolis of over 10 million people.

    "We registered a total of 4,000 people reported missing between Sunday and yesterday," Red Cross spokesman Patrick Bawa said. "Out of this we found 2,825 as of last night."

    Bawa said most of the missing were children aged between four and 11. The Red Cross was also looking after 15 children separated from their parents after exploding bombs triggered a mass stampede in chaotic Lagos, Africa's biggest city.

    Newspapers said the final figure from a catastrophe that damaged a huge number of residential and public buildings could be more than 2,000.

    Thousands of people mourning those killed faced the grim task on Wednesday of retrieving the bodies of loved ones before city authorities emptied mortuaries into mass graves.

    "The bodies are already decomposing," said a mortuary attendant in the district of Isolo, in the neighborhood of the Ikeja barracks where the armory is located.

    "This makes identification difficult, especially because they are in a pile," he added.
    .
    President Olusegun Obasanjo on Tuesday declared a day of national mourning, saying more than 600 had died. Many of the dead were women and children who drowned after plunging accidentally into the Oke Afa canal while fleeing during the blasts that began
    Sunday evening and went on until the next morning.

    Sadness turned to rage against the military. Many blamed the military for storing weapons, including rockets and heavy artillery shells, in the neighborhood.

    More anger stemmed from what many said was the total absence of security agents to help during the stampede that followed the blast, in a city of over 10 million people.

    Human rights lawyer Olisa Agbakoba contrasted Obasanjo's attitude with U.S. President George W. Bush's handling of the September 11 attacks on New ork and Washington.

    "This was almost our September 11," Agbakoba said. "Our president should sit down and direct things."

    Member of Parliament Nduka Irabor said the president, who visited the devastated barracks on Monday, should have remained in Lagos rather than head off soon after for an official visit to a northern state.

    The defense minister said the military had begun a private inquiry. In Abuja, Nigeria's two houses of parliament announced separate investigations into the blasts. The House of
    Representatives also voted to ask Obasanjo not to make any foreign trips until the causes could be ascertained.

    A delegation of senators on Wednesday toured the canal and nearby base, where Red Cross workers were distributing flour, sugar and other aid to survivors.

    Lagos state Governor Bola Ahmed Tinubu and other politicians accused the army of negligence. "We need to improve on the image of the armed forces," Tinubu said Tuesday.

    Many Nigerians remain distrustful of the military following 15 years of corrupt and sometimes brutal dictatorship that ended with 1999 elections.

    Some residents complained that lives could have been saved if authorities had built more bridges over a five-mile section of the canal where there is only one crossing.

    Chukwumah said the explosions began when a fire spread to the depot, which is surrounded by crowded slums and working-class neighborhoods. The blasts propelled shrapnel and shock waves for miles, shattering windows six miles away at the international airport.

    The army has acknowledged the storage facility at Ikeja was old and in need of revamping. A spokesman said he did not know how the fire started, but a police officer on Sunday it began at a nearby gas station.

    State and military officials were quick to assure Nigerians that the fire was accidental and not a sign of military unrest. Rumors of coups had circulated for more than an hour after the blasts began.

    Pope John Paul II sent a condolence message to Nigerian bishops, assuring his "closeness in prayer" for victims of the tragedy and for the rescue workers.

    U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan sent a letter to the president expressing "deepest sympathy and condolences" to the government and people of Nigeria. He promised that the United Nations office in the country was "ready to provide any assistance it can."

    Blondie

    Edited by - Blondie on 20 January 2003 16:47:3

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    So now we don't feel what we think we feel or we don't know what we think we know we need someone to discern the feelings for us hmmmmm

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    You know, as each day goes by I'm more and more amazed that I was ever a part of this organization. How did I listen to this kind of drivel and not run screaming from the KH?

    Amazing.

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