Bush-not sure if he's helping Joe Average American

by roybatty 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound
    TH, you jump down peoples throats for the slightest percieved provocation. You are overly sensitive and you are rude to people who do not share your world view. Please do not call my wife a dumbass, she didn't do anything to you. She simply has a different opinion than you, or do you find that unacceptable?

    No what I find un-acceptible, is labeling everyone that's anti-bush, or anti-war, liberal, or a democrat. BTW there were republicans in the anti-war protests here. I have a friend that is a republican, and now wishing she never voted for bush.

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    This article written by Maureen Dowd is eerily applicable to this discussion.

    She really is a brilliant woman. I enjoy reading her stuff from time to time.

    The Class President

    By MAUREEN DOWD

    WASHINGTON Once when I was covering the first President Bush, I took one of his top political strategists out to dinner.

    After a couple of martinis, he blurted out that the president was having a hard time with the idea that I was the White House reporter for The New York Times.

    Dumbfounded, I asked why.

    "We just picture you someplace else at The Chicago Tribune maybe," he said.

    Growing up in a Victorian mansion in Greenwich, the son of a Connecticut senator and Wall Street banker, the president had conjured up a certain image of what the Times White House reporter would be like. Someone less ethnic and working-class, with a byline like Chatsworth Farnsworth III.

    Poppy Bush was always gracious to me, even though he hated getting tweaked about being a patrician and complained that journalists cared more about class than he did.

    The Bushes see the world through the prism of class, while denying that class matters. They think as long as they don't act "snotty" or swan around with a lot of fancy possessions, that class is irrelevant.

    They make themselves happily oblivious to the difference between thinking you are self-made and being self-made, between liking to clear brush and having to clear brush.

    In a 1986 interview with George senior and George junior, then still a drifting 40-year-old, The Washington Post's Walt Harrington asked the vice president how his social class shaped his life, noting that families like the Bushes often send their kids to expensive private schools to ensure their leg up.

    "This sounds, well, un-American to George Jr., and he rages that it is crap from the 60's. Nobody thinks that way anymore!" Mr. Harrington wrote. "But his father cuts him off. . . . He seems genuinely interested. . . . But the amazing thing is that Bush finds these ideas so novel. . . . People who work the hardest even though some have a head start will usually get ahead, he says. To see it otherwise is divisive."

    When journalists on W.'s campaign wrote that he had been admitted to Yale as a legacy, the candidate's Texas advisers pointed out that he had also gotten into Harvard, and no Bush family members had gone there.

    They seemed genuinely surprised when told that Harvard would certainly have recognized the surname and wagered on the future success of the person with it.

    If you don't acknowledge that being a wealthy white man with the right ancestors blesses you with the desirable sort of inequality, how can you fix the undesirable sort of inequality?

    The Bushes seem to believe that the divisive thing in American society is dwelling on social and economic inequities, rather than the inequities themselves.

    When critics of W.'s tax cuts say they favor the wealthy, the president indignantly accuses them of class warfare. That's designed to intimidate critics by making them seem vaguely pinko. Besides, there's nothing more effective than deploring class warfare while ensuring that your class wins. It is the Bush tax cut that is fomenting class warfare.

    When the University of Michigan tries to redress a historic racial injustice by giving some advantage based on race, Mr. Bush gets offended by arbitrarily conferred advantages, as if he himself were not an affirmative-action baby.

    The president's preferred way of promoting diversity in higher education is throwing money at black colleges, which is not exactly a clarion call for integration.

    For all the talk about how Republicans were morally re-educated by the Trent Lott fiasco, Mr. Bush is still pandering to an unspoken racial elitism.

    He resubmitted the nomination of a federal judge with a soft spot for cross-burners. And, as Time notes this week, he quietly reinstituted the practice which lapsed under his father in 1990 of sending a floral wreath on Memorial Day from the White House to the Confederate Memorial in Arlington National Cemetery, where those nostalgic for the Old South celebrate Jefferson Davis. Why on earth would the president of the U.S. in the year 2003 take the trouble to do that?

    Back in '86, when the Post reporter suggested that class mattered, W. found the contention un-American.

    But isn't it un-American if the University of Michigan or Yale makes special room for the descendants of alumni but not the descendants of the disadvantaged?


    Edited by - bigboi on 23 January 2003 18:20:40

    Edited by - bigboi on 23 January 2003 18:23:45

  • Spartacus
    Spartacus

    T-Hound said: "LOL, show proof of a link between Iraq and Terrorism, oh ya you can't.

    Check this out:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/attack/printable523963.shtml

    New Evidence Of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties?
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 1, 2002


    An Iraqi connection with the Sept. 11 attacks is far from proven, but U.S. officials say they are following several tantalizing leads, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin.

    When hijacker Khalid al Midhar arrived in Malaysia in January of 2000 for a meeting of key al Qaeda operatives, he was met at the airport by an Iraqi named Ahmad Shakir, who worked part-time greeting VIPs, a job he got with the help of someone in the Iraqi Embassy.

    One week later, al Midhar flew to the United States, and 18 months later he was aboard the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. He is considered one of the most important hijackers because he was in charge of the so-called muscle the young Saudi men responsible for subduing the passengers

    That is not a smoking gun linking Iraq to Sept. 11, but it is one of several clues suggesting, though not proving, a connection between al Qaeda and the government of Saddam Hussein.

    Another lead: reports that chief hijacker Mohammed Atta made as many as four trips to Prague in the Czech Republic, dating from 1993 to 2001. So far U.S. intelligence only has hard evidence of one trip in 1999, when Atta was on his way to the United States.

    Prague is important because it has been alleged, though again not proved, that Atta met there with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer.

    The clearest link so far is that at least one senior member of al Qaeda fled to Baghdad after Sept. 11. He has since left Baghdad and there is no evidence Saddam Hussein knew about his visit, although in a police state like Iraq people don't just come and go.

    No one who has seen the intelligence is prepared to make the case that Saddam had a role in the Sept. 11 attacks. But suspicious links between Iraq and al Qaeda are becoming part of the Bush administration's case for removing him from power.

    Last week, President Bush's national security adviser said al Qaeda operatives had found refuge in Baghdad, and accused Saddam's regime of helping Osama bin Laden's followers develop chemical weapons.

    Condoleezza Rice's statements were the strongest public charges yet alleging contacts between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government.

    "There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here," Rice said.

    She said much of the information was coming from al Qaeda operatives captured since Sept. 11. This included several senior leaders whom the U.S. alleges organized terrorist attacks.

    "We clearly know that there were in the past and have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al Qaeda going back for actually quite a long time," Rice said. "We know too that several of the (al Qaeda) detainees, in particular some high-ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development."

    The widely held view has been that while Saddam and bin Laden both oppose the United States, their motivations are too different for them to work together. Saddam seeks secular power; bin Laden's drive comes from religious motivations and his opposition to the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia and the Arab world.

    "No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on Sept. 11, so we don't want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clearer, and we're learning more," Rice said.

  • Spartacus
    Spartacus

    Hi bigboi,

    Could you show the link of that article because our Internet filter is blocking your insert out. thanks, :)

    LOL, NY Times wants me to fill out a form :) I'm sure it's a great article too bad I can't read it at the moment :) I'll see it when I get home if you can see it then I will when I get to the house.

    OK, I can read it now, thanks!

    Edited by - Spartacus on 23 January 2003 18:25:25

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Spartacus,

    Don't confuse Trauma Hound with facts.

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