Breaking News: The French Tipped Off Iraq

by Perry 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Here are some curious developments.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/25/sprj.irq.inspections/index.html

    According to the United Nations, one man approached the hotel's security gate with a metal instrument before Iraqi guards wrestled him to the ground. He was found to have three knives, the United Nations said.

    About 40 minutes later, another Iraqi man stopped a U.N. vehicle outside the headquarters, pleading "Save me! Save me!" in Arabic, according to the United Nations.

    The man, apparently unarmed, forced his way into the driver's seat of the stopped vehicle. As an Iraqi guard struggled to pull him out, a U.N. inspector watched from the passenger seat.

    With the guy who tried to get into the Hotel, it was ONLY the Iraqis that said he had knives. None of the UN guys actually saw knives, just a metalic object.

    This article also fails to mention what can be seen of video footage of the man who jumped into the vehicle,he had a spiral note book with him. Strange that just as the scientists are saying they don't want to meet with UN officials without "minders" that these two men try to get to the UN Inspectors.

    One might suspect that these two men had info for the Inspectors. We'll never know though, I'm sure these guys are being tortured, and watching their families be tortured, as I write this. Funny that the Inspectors didn't press to at least see what the note book had in it. Then again, they're not all that interested in finding weapons as they are in NOT being the ones that find the reason for war.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Hi Yerusalyim,

    I think that poor guy will be representative of much of what we find when we liberate the Iraqi people. Of course, Saddam is probably torturing his children in front on him right now. It makes me feel guilty for having it so easy here.

    When this is over, I hope we embarrass the French internationally. Of course we won't do that though because we always try to make peace when possible. Would be nice though.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Digging here, as well. Here is a critique of hamza's book by Norman Dombey, who teaches theoretical physics at the University of Sussex.

    http://middleeastinfo.org/article1566.html

    He points out that hamza makes mistakes, among others, about methods of enriching uranium.

    Hamza says he told a PLO representative, while he was still a PhD student, 'I don't know how to make a bomb,' then adds: 'I did, theoretically, of course.' But did he? Nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons (at least those of the atomic rather than thermonuclear kind) are based on nuclear fission (a very large nucleus, typically uranium or plutonium, splits into lighter nuclei with an accompanying energy release). When he testified recently to a Senate Committee, Hamza was described as a nuclear engineer: a professional who works with nuclear reactors. But Hamza has no specific training in nuclear fission for either reactors or weapons. His PhD wasn't concerned with the fission of a large nucleus but with the scattering of small nuclei or, to be precise, on how to calculate three-body forces - a very abstract topic. Solving the problem required a large amount of computation ($40,000 worth back in the late 1960s) on an old-fashioned mainframe. He went on from Florida State to Fort Valley State College in Georgia to establish a computer centre there. On his return to Iraq he became involved with the purchase of the Osirak reactor from France, but was also appointed to head a committee to buy, and then run, an IBM360 for the Nuclear Research Centre. Hamza's CV, which is on the Web, reveals him to be a specialist in scientific computation and modelling. He ran calculations for the gas diffusion enrichment project from 1980, for the dense plasma focus project from 1988 and, though he doesn't say so explicitly, presumably for simulations of the yield from the nuclear warhead that Iraq hoped to have once it acquired sufficient HEU. He was, in other words, a glorified computer scientist.

    As usual, arab talk is more potent than their bite. Further, in an interview, he admits

    Without Jeff Stein there would be no book. He made the book possible

    http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/hamzatranscript.htm

    Jeff stein was his co-auther, ghost writer, really. Who is jeff stein.

    Military intelligence officer in vietnam during the 1960's. He has been writing on govt intelligence issues. Is he jewish?

    SS

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    It's significant that the US sensored 8000 pages out of a 12000 page weapons report put out by iraq. Only the 4000 page US vetted version is available to nonpermanent UN member nations.

    As well, israel may have up to 200 nuclear warheads. This tends to fuel a middle east arms race.

    SS

  • Perry
    Perry

    SS,

    And your point is?

    Edited by - Perry on 25 January 2003 22:20:29

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Perry

    Hamza's exageration weakens his credibility and the claim that saddam must have nukes, or must be on the verge of having them. No one is questioning that saddam is a tyrant. Govts of egypt, saudi arabia, iran and some of the other small muslim states are just as tyranical. It's not a valid reason for invading iraq.

    SS

  • Perry
    Perry

    SS, Seems like the evidence is starting to mount. I think that we the public will be informed at the proper time. DEPT. OF MASS DESTRUCTION:
    Saddam's nuclear shopping spree. by Gary Milhollin The New Yorker
    The Talk of the Town
    December 13, 1999, p. 44.

    Ever since the United Nations weapons inspectors were shut out of Iraq, a year ago, the world has been left to wonder what Saddam Hussein is up to. Well, now it can be told: he has been secretly trying to transform his desert dictatorship into a world-class center for the treatment of kidney stones.

    Or so it would seem, to judge from his latest purchases on the international medical-equipment market. Although Iraq remains under a strict United Nations embargo, the embargo does not cover medical supplies. Last year, the Iraqi government ordered half a dozen lithotripters, which are state-of-the-art machines for getting rid of kidney stones. (The word "lithotripter" comes from the Greek for "stone breaker.") A lithotripter uses a shock wave to pulverize these painful objects without surgery. Machines like the ones Iraq bought require a high-precision electronic switch that triggers a powerful burst of electricity. In addition to the lithotripters, Iraq wanted to buy a hundred and twenty extra switches. That is at least a hundred more than the machines would ever need.

    Iraq's strange hankering for this particular "spare part" becomes less mysterious when one reflects that the switch in question has another use: it can trigger an atomic bomb. According to a knowledgeable U.N. inspector, each bomb of the type that Iraq is trying to build requires thirty-two switches. Thus, a hundred of them would outfit three bombs. It is hardly a coincidence that, as the former U.N. inspector Scott Ritter testified at a Senate hearing last year, the inspectors had "intelligence information which indicates that components necessary for three nuclear weapons exist" in Iraq. Saddam Hussein has been shopping for what he needs to make sure they work.

    Iraq went to Siemens, the German electronics giant, to place the order. Before the Gulf War, Iraq acquired Siemens computers and other equipment useful for processing uranium to nuclear-weapons grade, and the company provided electrical equipment for one of Iraq's main missile sites. (Siemens has denied helping Iraq advance its nuclear program.) In this instance, Siemens forwarded the switches order to its supplier, Thomson-C.S.F., a French military-electronics company. The French government promptly barred the sale. Stephen Cooney, a Siemens spokesman, refuses to say whether Siemens nevertheless filled the switch order, or even whether the order was placed. If Siemens made the deal, Iraq got a powerful nuclear boost.

    The Clinton Administration has been relatively quiet on Iraq lately. Although it maintains that it remains suspicious of Saddam, it claims to have no specific evidence that he has resumed his efforts to build weapons of mass destruction. The kidney-stone affair suggests otherwise.

    The U.N. inspectors have learned that Iraq's first bomb design, which weighed a ton and was just over a yard in diameter, has been replaced by a smaller, more efficient model. The inspectors have deduced that the new design weighs only about one thousand three hundred pounds and measures about twenty-five inches in diameter. That makes it small enough to fit on a Scud-type missile. The inspectors believe that Iraq may still have nine such missiles hidden somewhere.

    The inspectors have also concluded that Iraq's bomb design will work. Iraq, they believe, has mastered the key technique of creating an implosive shock wave, which squeezes a bomb's nuclear material enough to trigger a chain reaction. The new design also uses a "flying tamper," a refinement that hammers" the nuclear material to squeeze it even harder, so bombs can be made smaller without diminishing their explosive force.

    How did Iraq progress so far so quickly? The inspectors found an Iraqi document describing an offer of design helpin exchange for moneyfrom an agent of Pakistan. Iraq says it didn't accept the offer, but the inspectors think it did. Pakistan's latest design also uses a flying tamper. Regardless of how the Iraqis managed to do it, Saddam Hussein now possesses an efficient nuclear-bomb design. And, if he did succeed in getting hold of the necessary switches, then the only thing he lacks is enough weapons-grade uranium to fuel the warheads.

    The fuel, unfortunately, is getting easier to find. United States officials report that on May 29th Bulgaria seized approximately a third of an ounce of weapons-grade uranium at its border. The hot cargo, accompanied by documents in Russian, was concealed in a lead container in a pump stowed in a car. A third of an ounce is not enough for a bomb (Iraq's design, for example, needs thirty-five pounds), but this seizure and others like it show that weapons-grade fuel is beginning to circulate in the black market. Unless the U.N. Security Council can agree on a plan to reinstate meaningful inspections, Saddam may be able to complete his nuclear shopping sooner rather than later.

    And this was just discovered just last week!

    UN inspectors uncover proof of Saddam's nuclear bomb plans
    By Con Coughlin
    (Filed: 19/01/2003)

    United Nations weapons inspectors have uncovered evidence that proves Saddam Hussein is trying to develop an arsenal of nuclear weapons, The Telegraph can reveal. The discovery was made following spot checks last week on the homes of two Iraqi nuclear physicists in Baghdad.

    Hans Blix was made aware of the discovery last week

    Acting on information provided by Western intelligence, the UN inspection teams discovered a number of documents proving that Saddam is continuing with his attempts to develop nuclear weapons, contrary to his public declarations that Iraq is no longer interested in producing weapons of mass destruction.

    The revelation follows last Thursday's discovery of a number of warheads at an ammunition storage facility south of Baghdad that had been designed for carrying chemical and biological weapons.

    Although UN officials say that they have no comment to make at present on the documents found at the scientists' homes, a Western diplomat closely involved with the investigation into Saddam's nuclear capability yesterday confirmed that the documents showed that Iraq was still attempting to develop its own atomic weapons.

    "These are not old documents. They are new and they relate to on-going work taking place in Iraq to develop nuclear weapons," the official told The Telegraph.

    "They had been hidden at the scientists' homes on Saddam's personal orders. Furthermore, no mention of this work is made in the Iraqi dossier that was submitted to the UN last December."

    UN nuclear experts are this weekend continuing to examine the seized documents. Officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna have also been informed of the discovery.

    The revelation that Saddam is working on nuclear weapons in defiance of the United Nations is further evidence that Iraq is failing to comply with the terms of UN Resolution 1441, which requires Baghdad to make a complete disclosure of its weapons of mass destruction programme.

    A false or incomplete disclosure or a failure fully to co-operate with the inspectors would constitute a material breach of the resolution and result in military action against Baghdad.

    Although Dr Hans Blix, the head of the UN inspections teams, was made aware of the discovery last week, he failed to mention it during talks with Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, and Jacques Chirac the French president.

    British officials are particularly concerned that Mr Blix appears to be playing down the significance of last week's breakthroughs.

    He indicated that he did not feel the discovery of the chemical warheads was an issue that needed to be reported to the Security Council.

    The inspectors' discoveries follow a radical improvement in relations between UN officials and Western intelligence which had been reluctant to hand over sensitive information for fear that it might fall into the hands of Iraqi officials, thereby risking the lives of agents working in Iraq.

    In particular intelligence officials were keen that a team of UN inspectors visit the homes of two Iraqi nuclear scientists living in the outskirts of Baghdad.

    This followed information from high ranking officials at Iraq's Ministry of Military Industrialisation (MIO) that suggested Saddam had ordered that top secret nuclear documents should be hidden at the homes of scientists working on the project.

    As one inspection team discovered the empty chemical warheads, nuclear weapons experts were cordoning off the street where two scientists lived in Baghdad's al-Ghazalia neighbourhood.

    They searched the homes of Faleh Hassan, a specialist in laser equipment, and Dr Shaker alJibouri, a nuclear scientist. Inspectors also accompanied the scientists to sites known to have been used for nuclear research.

    Edited by - Perry on 26 January 2003 8:26:14

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