New light from GB member David Splane!
by Island Man 60 Replies latest watchtower bible
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AFRIKANMAN
"Suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before Joseph was born. Would he be part of Joseph's generation? No. Because he had never lived at the same time as Joseph, he was not a contemporary of Joseph's. Now suppose there was a little baby who was born 10 minutes after Joseph died. Would the baby be part of Joseph's generation? Again, no. Because the baby would not have lived at the same time as Joseph." - JW Broadcast 9/2015, 00:04:00+
One Baby dying does not negate the fact that at or around that time period other babies were born - who then constitute the "Generation" of babies born at that time ! Trying to narrow down the meaning of generation to Days hours and minutes is what Splane is trying to splane ....................I think ? Can u splane it any better ? Narrowing the analogy to one dead baby has caused Splane to blow smoke up his Rear end - He thus negates his own argument. ..................lawdy I am off to study economics instead !!
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prologos
Because Jesus, as the story goes, was talking to an audience that would personally see the fulfillment of what he was talking about, used the term "generation" when he as easily could have said, and meant - life-time.
Splane in his Joseph-type illustration is talking life-time too, for at Joseph's death, his sons were already starting new generations, to which prior deceased ones not belonged.
Splane defined a life-time, not a generation.
Come to think of it, the second group should not be called overlappers, but underlappers. they started as lowly OS, living under the rule of the GB-governors, who then went up, to leave the baton to the surviving underlappers that thusly had been overlapped.
underlapped in generationgate.
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Listener
The GB have failed to keep a diligent watch by their own admission - 'we just don't know'
Splane said that they didn't know when the the last of the anointed in the first group died and when the last of the second group became anointed which, according to their interpretation, would have been before the last of the first group died. He said they just didn't know.
However, he proudly named numerous anointed persons from both the first group and the second group. He didn't say that these people alleged they were anointed, he said they were and was able to identify them by name.
They keep detailed records of publications printed, distributed, hours of witnessing work, number of publishers and the list goes on but he cannot identify the end date of the first group and the last person in the second group. They are the elite, true brothers and are supposed to be working together in the body of Christ.
They profess to know what Jesus meant by this generation but fail to keep adequate track of the anointed in order to make better application of Jesus' words. Only they could have done this by their own reckoning and they failed, they just don't know.
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prologos
Listener14 minutes agothey didn't know when the the last of the anointed in the first group died and when the last of the second group became anointed .
But they were able to cite concrete examples like F.Franz's ~86 year tenure as a partaker. We must assume then, to be relevant, that the unknown "anointed" exceeded that duration, and the conclusion from that is:
the rapture, the paradise lays beyond 2075, the time of the 100 year anniversary of 1975;-- just like the centennial of 1914 is also already past.
history repeats itself, if you ignore it's lessons.
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Listener
Prologos -But they were able to cite concrete examples like F.Franz's ~86 year tenure as a partaker. We must assume then, to be relevant, that the unknown "anointed" exceeded that duration, and the conclusion from that is:
the rapture, the paradise lays beyond 2075, the time of the 100 year anniversary of 1975;-- just like the centennial of 1914 is also already past.Ultimately they've stuffed up with their new light. Their aim was to make it seem that the remaining time is very short and every time they explain this new teaching this is what they try to conclude.
Maybe this is why they keep trying new ways of explaining this teaching because the sheepies aren't getting the point of the whole excercise. They have not once said it could be as long as 2075, they try to claim the opposite by continually pointing out that those in the second group are well advanced in years.
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konceptual99
Clearly, by most definitions of the term there is zero support for this dogs dinner of an explanation.
If you are generous then I think it is possible to concede some kind of acceptance that you could claim the term refers to those people alive during some more nebulous "age" - e.g. the "age of steam" - you could claim a term such as the "steam age generation" means people that were alive for the 200 odd years when steam trains were dominant.
The real question however for those that wish to believe anything in Matt 24 is worthy of taking as the truth, is how did Jesus intend it to be understood?
Is there anything in the wording that indicates any other understanding that what the common person back then would have understood by the term "generation". What part of "by no means will this generation pass away" gives any context or clarification that it would not refer to a group of people alive in the same 30-40 year period? What happened in the first century? What was the indication of what a generation was then in relation to when Jesus spoke these words and when Jerusalem fell?
As far as I can see there is zero evidence to suggest it should be taken any other way than the obvious one.
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Vidiot
EdenOne - "...you just can't make this stuff up..."
Why not?
They do.
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prologos
Listener continually pointing out that those in the second group are well advanced in years.
true, for wt writers have to keep up the mood of urgency. but
by using the example of a "F. Franz the second" replay, that official anointed would be 41 year old today, hardly advanced in years.
Now, with the introduction of the 'closet partaker' of even steeper delusion, advanced in 'youth' would be a better term for those unknowns.
wt knows they are in for the long haul and working to make it work for them financially. The mantra of "soon--" keeps the contributors from emulating them in their materialism. Money's worth is their protection.
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Vidiot
prologos - "...WT knows they are in for the long haul..."
How the f**k do you plan for the long haul, whilst simultaneously reinforcing the idea that there's no such thing?