Gnostics

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  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    I am writing to the people on this board who are way smarter than I could ever hope to be, there are quite a few of you here, and have some understanding of religions.

    I just picked up a book about Gnostics. Mainly because the back cover talked about William Blake (who I already knew was Gnostic) and John Lennon being holders of this philosophy. It's supposedly a history of this religion/philosophy.

    I am only half way through the first chapter...the author is rather full of himself and is constantly reminding the reader he went to Oxford and subconciously knew of Gnostic principles his whole life. (Whooptie doo--GET TO THE DAMN POINT)

    Anywho... I am already lost. I confess I know very little of the teachings/philosophy, and this book dives right into the Nag Hammadi Library and how it was discovered, who published which Codex, etc. I was looking for more of a sweeping information guide to the philosophy rather than this indepth history about stuff I am unfamilar with as of yet. I will keep reading, maybe it gets better...

    Anyway....I was wondering if anyone here has looked into Gnosticism, or knows of any good websites with more information. Something to dip my toe into before I leap back into this book perhaps.

    Thanks...

  • Xander
    Xander

    Not sure you can simplify much.

    Anyway, from belief.net

    Gnosticism
    nos'ti-siz-uhm; from Gk. gnosis, "knowledge"

    A term used for a category of religions that emphasize knowledge as essential to salvation. Gnosticism appears in the early Christian centuries, but its origins and age are much debated, and at the present state of research it can hardly be proven to exist prior to Christianity. Neither unequivocally Christian, Jewish, Greek, nor Iranian, Gnosticism is not a clearly delineated religion, but rather a specific religious interpretative perspective. Gnosticism lives mainly in or on the edges of Christianity and Judaism and it bears a number of philosophical, astrological, and magical marks loosely belonging in the Near Eastern and Inner Mediterranean areas.

    Cosmologies

    Common to many Gnostic texts and systems are an emphasis on dualistic speculations (e.g., light vs. darkness, good vs. evil, the earthly realm vs. the heavenly world, or the Lightworld); a reevaluation of many biblical traditions (especially Genesis and the New Testament) so that the Old Testament God, for instance, becomes an inferior figure ignorant of Lightworld entities above and prior to himself; and a keen interest in the salvation of the human soul, which, due to its Lightworld origin, is opposed to the body it inhabits and possesses a superior knowledge. Gnostic mythologies offer intricate, detailed speculations on cosmic geographies, provide emotional descriptions of the fate of the soul in its material prison, and, in frequently impressive poetry, describe the soul's journey back to its lofty home. In brief, Gnosticism exemplifies the common religious and creative response of Late Antiquity to a feeling of alienation toward bodily, material, even social existence, and a burning interest in arriving at a higher, more authentic level of life. Far from leading to paralytic pessimism, this orientation caused Gnostics to create mythologies, ideologies, rituals, and organized communities. Subversive Gnostic interpretations, especially of the biblical traditions, elicited horrified, swift denunciations from the early fathers of the church, who rightly perceived the Gnostics as a menace to the budding Christian orthodoxy.

    Much of what we know about Gnostic doctrines and practices comes from these church fathers, but their accounts are unavoidably colored by a strong hostility toward Gnostics. Direct Gnostic testimonies are available from numerous sources: the Nag Hammadi texts (a cache of fifty-odd documents unearthed in Egypt in 1945); manuscripts found or bought by European scholars in recent centuries; and voluminous texts from two Gnostic groups--the Manichaeans (whose system became a "world religion" stretching from North Africa to China) and the Mandaeans (a still-extant community of Gnostics in Iran and Iraq). Various Gnostic texts show strong affinities with Greek philosophy, Syriac Christianity, and Iranian traditions.

    Cosmogonies

    Gnostic speculations tend to pose a "prehistory" to the creation accounts in Genesis, imagining a number of Lightworld angelic (aeonic) beings emanating or springing from one or more original, ineffable entities. A progression of male and female emanations eventually result in the lowest levels of aeons where the Old Testament God belongs. Ignorant of--or rebelling against--his more elevated predecessors, this god (sometimes called Samael, "the blind one") creates the visible, material world, the human body (an androgynous Adam or the pair Adam and Eve), and imprisons the human soul in it. Having thus separated the supreme god from the creator god, Gnostics give a negative evaluation of the latter and his minions. In parallel, heroic figures in the Bible turn into villains and vice versa, so that the serpent in paradise and Cain become principles of the light and of gnosis, while Noah turns into a collaborator with the ignorant creator. Gnostic ideas about Jesus tend toward splitting his personality, with Christ, the Lightworld aspect of Jesus, escaping crucifixion, while the bodily Jesus, a mere shadow of his real self, is destroyed on the cross.

    The principle of evil originates within the Lightworld itself, results unavoidably from the emanation process, or exists as a separate, anti-Lightworld entity from the beginning of creation. Personified (or hypostasized) evil is in many Gnostic myths portrayed as a tragic figure: he (it is usually male) knows of his wrongdoing and ignorance but seems unable to act differently, though he still hopes for his own, final redemption and return to home in the upper worlds. His mother, personified Wisdom or Error, is likewise tragic, but possesses more insight than her son. Human responsibilities include knowledge about the good and evil principles, the numerous aeonic beings populating the spheres between earth and Lightworld, and a firm sense of cosmic geography so that the ascending soul may know its way home. Anthropological models often correspond to cosmic maps: the upper human component is the spirit, the mid-level is the soul, and the material body roughly correlates with the macrocosm.

    Rituals

    Gnostic religions undoubtedly possessed a rich cultic life alongside the mythological/speculative component, but except for Manichaeism and Mandaeism--and a few scattered texts from other, less delineated traditions--we have only hazy evidence of the intricacies of Gnostic rituals. Initiations, baptisms, sacred meals, rituals for the dead, and techniques for ecstatic experiences are attested in various traditions. Community ethics, class divisions based on levels of gnosis, and aggressively polemical interests against "normative" Christianity and Judaism testify to organized Gnostic schools and groups eager to define themselves against outsiders and against one another.

    Gnosticism is also loosely used to indicate phenomena outside of late antiquity, e.g., Sufism, medieval European systems such as those of the Bogomils and the Cathars, William Blake's philosophy, and numerous New Age-related religions. Strictly speaking, however, the term ought to be reserved for the category of religions in Late Antiquity. With very few exceptions, these religions were overrun by Christian orthodoxy and early rabbinic Judaism and disappeared after the fifth and sixth centuries.

  • metatron
    metatron

    I just wanna know why John was opposed to the Gnostics - yet clearly influenced by
    mystical ideas that resemble their viewpoints.

    Example: calling the Word "the only begotten God" or other texts that seem to associate
    Godhood with Jesus in vague ways. Lesser gods or a 'bureaucratic' view of God seems
    to be part of Gnosticism to me.

    metatron

  • Robdar
  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The nag hammadi is available on the net for free download. It's a tough read.

    The gnostics were one of perhaps 150 christian sects of the first 3 centuries. When pauline christianity became the offical state religion, gnosticism was outlawed w the rest, including paganism and the other traditional religions of the day.

    Pauline christianity was faith based, no knowledge or questioning needed. Gnosticism was an attempt to explain the universe in a more factual way. But they got their facts hopelessly screwed up.

    Alexandria, egypt developed into a main centre for christianity, as well as gnosticism, until rome fell. It was augustine's home.

    Now, there is a church that calls itself something like the universal gnostic church. Of course they try to prove that they are the right way. They try to trace an unbroken lineage to the early centuries. They are ultra dualistic. For example, they have a belief that many people are actually incarnated demons, and so are unsavable enemies of light. This is a very dangerous belief.

    SS

  • artful
    artful

    metatron: from what I have read, I believe that John was opposed to the Gnostics because they taught that Christ had not "come in the flesh". The Gnostics felt that anything earthly was defective and inferior (including the "God" of the OT) and therefore claimed Jesus did not come in the flesh, but only allowed himself to appear human. John refered to such ones as anti-Christ. From what I understand, the Gnostics believed that they possessed a special knowledge which gave them unique insights into spiritual things (sound familiar!!).

    Artful

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    Elaine Pagels has written a book entitled "The Gnostic Gospels". It is very readable and addresses the influence that Gnostism had on what became orthodox Christinity. The roots of what eventually became called Gnostism were many centuries old by the time the NT was written. The so-called Mystery Religions (including Jesus cults) all shared common themes and idiom. Gnostics simply saw patterns in this ancient wisdom and reconstituted it into a new faith. To conceal it's influence upon what Christianity had become the Gnostics and ther writings were destroyed. Only those hidden away or indirect references have survived. Many of these references were by Christian apologists attempting to distinguish themselves from their Gnostic brothers.

  • Introspection
    Introspection
    I am only half way through the first chapter...the author is rather full of himself and is constantly reminding the reader he went to Oxford and subconciously knew of Gnostic principles his whole life. (Whooptie doo--GET TO THE DAMN POINT)

    Hehe, I had to laugh out loud at this Joanna.

    I have to ask you though: Do you really care? The reason I ask is this kind of attitude is to some extent found in any given tradition - not that they don't have anything valuable to say, of course, but even people who sees through all the religions and is pretty much on the ball in terms of the main thrust of spirituality often don't realize what it is that they've read about. I mean, if you think human beings have a spiritual nature then you don't have to turn anywhere else except yourself right? You have the reality right there, whereas any nice system of knowledge is only conceptual. This is probably the biggest mistake, thinking that the taking in of conceptual knowledge is going to get you somewhere spiritually. I think of that second part of vs. 3 of the Gospel of Thomas where it says: "When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty." Saint Satan eluded to the non-dual aspect, just consider these verses from Thomas:

    (Seems this message is cutting off half the post, I'll have to post a second one)

    Edited by - Introspection on 29 January 2003 10:43:31

  • Introspection
    Introspection

    Ok.. It doesn't seem to be happy with formatting so I will just paste it as text normally:
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    3a Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

    4 Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live.
    For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."

    22 Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
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    Anyways, seems to be pretty clear doesn't it?

    Edited by - Introspection on 29 January 2003 10:51:23

  • metatron
    metatron

    I undertstand your point - John was opposing the Gnostics in his letters, calling them "Antichrists"

    Yet, he was influenced by mysticism and seemed to think of Christ as some kind of lesser god.

    BTW, I think the Gospel of Thomas has some reference to Jesus' disciples gettin' nekkid

    metatron

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