Updated Report by Yizuman - Part Two

by Yizuman 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • Brummie
    Brummie
    unless you have been with Yiz in person, you don't REALLY know how much or how little Yiz is really doing.

    Well I assume you dont really KNOW either or have you been with him in person?

    I do not consider Yiz's lack of knowledge as "needing to be kicked up the ass."

    Thats ok Newlight, See he wouldnt have had such a lack of knowledge if he had got up and got the knowledge in the first place. He needed a kick start, even you have just stated this by acknowledging it was the posters here that got him searching and DOING something he could have done a long time ago. What was he going to do? sit and wait to get booted out of his house and then blame his deafness? Its not harsh to call this to his attention, its necessary.

    I am not being nasty to YIZ, I am merely stating the need for him not to be so dependant on others, everything he is getting now was always there. Your right though, I should have just let it go. It was a jerk response to his jumping on Megadude, go look to see if Mega was being real nasty to this guy, he wasnt. See Newlight, Yiz has a real nasty streak himself, perhaps you missed it in his original posts!

    When I read his posts it just gives me the desire to go over there and sort it out for him, he needs someone to go and stand up for him against these people that just send him round in circles.

    Do I think he is lazy? Yes.

    I'm not falling out with you over Yizman NewLight so this is my last response to you on this thread...perhaps we just see things differently

    Brummie

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Brummie,

    When Yiz first came to this forum, he was (and still is) very depressed. When one is depressed, one does NOT think clearly. It's like you're in a permenant state of confusion. You may want to figure things out for yourself, but you are UNABLE to sort things out in your own mind. This is NOT being lazy.

    I agree wth you that Yiz has needed "help" to start "doing", but that still does not mean he needed to have his "ass kicked" nor does that make him "lazy".

    NewLight2

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Brummie,

    You're making assumptions on something you don't know about. You're making yourself off as someone who knows everything about everybody and what they are doing and you are absolutely right in every assumption you make, which doesn't make you look like a wise person, but rather an annoying person. There's a saying that goes like this, "Nobody likes a wise guy!".

    First of all, you are not deaf so you have absolutely no idea what that is like and you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be discriminated against based on being deaf.

    Second, you are not suffering from depression, so therefore you have no idea what it feels like and especially what it feels like to want to kill yourself. I have been hospitalized twice in my lifetime because of my suicidal behavior. One at 17 and the other 3 years ago.

    Here's an advice, never give an advice to anyone unless you have been through it yourself and found solutions to the problems. It would be hyprocritical of you to give advice about a particular subject that you never had any experience on in your entire life. Unless you are a trained professional shrink, in which case I doubt you are one.

    Oh some shrinks are quackers than others, but I think some good shrinks have been through terrible things in their lives and found ways to solve them and decided to become a shrink to help others because they know what it it like. To me I think those types of people are more reliable to talk to than those shrinks who never been through any horrible kind of life and may most likely to be a quack. IMHO

    I'm almost calling you a troll because you're giving off a vibe as being someone trolling for attention by flaming someone and accusing me of being lazy in which case I am not.

    Walk a mile in my shoe and we can talk about it.

    Yizuman

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Dottie,

    Thanks for the hugs!

    Yizuman

  • Utopian_Raindrops
    Utopian_Raindrops

    Yiz,

    You really gave it to Brummie there without knowing about him ether.

    With statements like...... you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be discriminated against..you are not suffering from depression, so therefore you have no idea what it feels like and especially what it feels like to want to kill yourself. ..never give an advice to anyone unless you have been through it yourself and found solutions to the problems

    Those things you wrote about are not exclusive to the deaf our Yizuman. As a matter of fact all the problems youre having are not exclusively problems of deaf persons.

    You are not alone in the universe in your pain and suffering. Nor are you alone in your poverty and despair!

    Many people of many groups hearing, and non-hearing are in your same boat. Each person handles it quite differently.

    From what I have read of Brummies posts on this thread he merely wished to give you a kick in the pants because dear Yizuman he believes in you!

    You may lack such confidence in yourself but Brummie and others here know you can do it! You can come through this low time in your life triumphant!

    Yes we all have our styles in giving advice. Some tell you were to get aid some just coddle and coo to you and yet others like Brummie Do Not Treat You as A Poor Decrepit Deaf Soul......NO they choose to treat you as a Man Equal to himself!

    Isnt that amazing......someone who thinks you can make it like any man out there......instead of someone who pities and sees you as a weakling who cannot take care of yourself!

    Although his words stung because of your downtrodden state......in a sense you should thank him for treating you as he would any man instead of as a helpless child.

    Now these are modern times and there are many conveniences. We are not expected to hunt for food or build our own homes. You may be deaf which is difficult indeed.......but you are not blind or cripple or mentally incapable of rational thought.

    I am sure if you do some research you will find even more people to mentally lead you and inspire you as well as our Heavenly Father who by past threads of yours I have come to know you believe in.

    Sometimes the sting of one Bee keeps you from walking into a hive!

    Forgive Brummie and move forward Yiz.

    On a few of your threads I suggested temp services such as Man Power that even offer job training. I have not once seen you write of going to any temp service and trying.

    I realize it is scary to apply for a job when you feel you will be discriminated against but, still man......give it a try!

    When my father came to this country he could not speak English, and he worked in the fields as a migratory worker when other children were in school. As he grew older he because of his race he was not allowed to eat in restaurants as they were only for The Anglos. When he got jobs often they would call him derogatory names while he worked and would belittle him the entire time!! He and my mothers 1 st home was a chicken coup made into a bunkhouse by the owner of a Plant Nursery.

    One job he had when my mother found out how badly the boss abused him (calling him names like stupid spick..etc.) she asked how he could stand it. My father replied, Poor man, he does not know any better.

    Because my father did not know English he had to take The Civil Servants Test 5 times before he passed it! They did not have it in Spanish back then as they do now. Still he took over and over no matter how embarrassing. No matter how many times the men at The Post office called him stupid Mexican for it.

    My family knows what discrimination is like Yiz. Much of Anglo America (not everyone but, many) makes sure we know. In our lives we have been physically beaten, had our property vandalized,derogatory name-calling, loss of work, and even sexual assault. All because we are Mexican, nothing more, nothing less. We did no crime to anyone and have faced discrimination simply because they dont like the sound of our last name.

    You can do it Yiz..do not be afraid. Say a prayer and go to sleep. When you wake up walk, run, ride a bike if you have too. You can make it. We know you can.

    Take Care Our Yizuman.

    I will pray for you.

    Christian Love,

    Utopian_Raindrops

    Edited by - Utopian_raindrops on 7 February 2003 3:54:29

  • asortafairytale
    asortafairytale
    I am not going to a shelter downtown Indianapolis which is a 30 minute drive from here and I am scared to death of that city, too many crimes and gangs in that city. Screw that. Yes, I am a scaredy cat!

    Yizuman-

    I have been in your shoes before...no money, no place to live, no car, nothing. I learned fast that you do WHATEVER you have to do to make it through. Even if it may seem unappealing. Or scary. You can't climb back up until you've hit rock bottom. I know from experience.

    Hope it gets better!

    Asortafairytale

  • Brummie
    Brummie
    which doesn't make you look like a wise person, but rather an annoying person.

    Good! i'm annoying you for a change, that was my purpose. At least I know how to get up and achieve my purpose huh. Perhaps I can annoy you into getting up to acheive yours. I'll not address anything else in your post as its air.

    Newlight:

    When Yiz first came to this forum, he was (and still is) very depressed. When one is depressed, one does NOT think clearly. It's like you're in a permenant state of confusion. You may want to figure things out for yourself, but you are UNABLE to sort things out in your own mind. This is NOT being lazy

    Newlight I am with you on most of what you said. The last sentence is my only disagreement. I understand depression, I needed a kick to get out of mine too. Like I said I appreciate you and dont want to argue about Yiz. But I do understand where you are coming from.

    (((U_R you know I enjoy ALL your posts dont you?especially this one..lol)))

    Brummie

  • ApagaLaLuz
  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    Yiz:

    I will just ask my usual, have you contacted legal aid?

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Overall, I have to admit, I have been impressed with the 'moral support' offered to Yizuman during the last little while. Others have been given that little bit of encouragement on occasion, and overall it seems to have helped many.

    Sometimes humour can come across awkwardly in written form. I try to use those emoticons whenever I can. Given that we cannot hear each other aurally on here, so much can be misinterpretted. Having worked with the deaf and hearing impaired, I have seen first hand some of the challenges these people face.

    Also, those dealing with depression, it can be, incapacitating at times. But I think everyone is aware of that. On a positive note, I like to think, even on a small scale, if I were feeling down in the dumps, or happy as can be, I can come here to share my thoughts and feelings without prejudice.

    Yiz comes here for support, and having been a JW, he has at least that one thing in common with us, that draws him here. I know I had some episodic depression/sadness while being a dub. Maybe Yiz has a bit of that going on, not sure. But having worked with the deaf and hearing impaired for a number of years, they do have special needs, and sometimes what seems trivial to us (hearing population) can be intimidating and overwhelming to them. They are so often misunderstood.

    Anyways, if we can impart any moral support or share some information to help anyone out, I say: go for it .

    Keep your chin up Yiz .

    Edited by - RAYZORBLADE on 7 February 2003 20:8:37

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit