1914 Generation

by starfish422 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • starfish422
    starfish422

    Was just reading on Freeminds; was asked by a Mormon poster on another board, to give a brief history of JW organization and I came across the following (here is the link: http://www.freeminds.org/history/5_eras.htm ):

    "Finally throw out their "1914 generation" teaching with the October 15 and November 1st, 1995 issues of The Watchtower, which was one of their main playing cards. But Simon says, "It's no thang," while older Witnesses know better. Many may leave (on crutches!). Dozens of breakaway groups begin to form in 1996."

    Can anyone expand on this? Particularly the throwing out of the 1914 generation doctrine; and the breakaway groups. Even just a link to a site where I can read a bit more detailed stuff on this would be great. :)

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    The 1995 articles were the result of an apparent division within the organization over the understanding of Matt 24:34. The study articles in the main body of the magazine contained a very lengthy and confusing discussion of the meaning of Greek words and the history of the Jews. The real import was however the definitions of the words "generation" and "pass away". The word generation was now simply to mean a group of people living contemporaneously, in this context, the wicked people who will be destroyed by God. Formerly they interpreted the word as implying a life span, and so saw this as a time reference. The "end" was to happen within a human life time of the fullfullment of the "signs of the end" which JWs believed began in 1914. Therefore 81 years had past in 1995 and yet nothing had happened. That had many wondering, as most people who saw 1914 were now dead. But back to the article...This new definition of "generation" no longer implied a time reference at all. In addition the definition of the phrase "pass away" was now changed from meaning dying of old age to being destroyed at Armagedon. To summerize the new interpretation: The author was simply saying that the destruction of the wicked people would not happen until after ALL of the things listed in Matt 24 happened. This required too much change of thought for many even in Brooklyn. The QUESTIONS from READERS at the end of the very same magazine offered a slightly different interpretation that retained the concept of a time reference. This aticle simply insisted that the word "generation" means an undisclosed length of time. This was because of emphasis on the phrasing "contemporaneous people". In other words: That People with wicked ideas would still be alive when God bring the end. This of course says little or nothing. It then effectively confused everyone, but most favored the second interpretation as this was less of a change. Subsequent articles reinforced the second interpretation so effectively that most JWs are not aware of the inconsistency. The real problem is that the author was not forteling an end of the world as we think of it at all. He was expressing confidence that the Return of Jesus to restore Isreal's glory was imminent, within his lifetime. This was the conviction found in many Bible passages. For example a few chapters earlier at Matt 16:27,28 where dispite attempts to change it's meaning as referring to a transfiguration, the context is clearly about "coming to recompence" in the lifetime of his Apostles.

    The expression at 24:34 "THIS generation"(meaning those listening to him) provides the key to the puzzle. It does not say THAT generation(suggesting future peoples). So taken in context without later Christian reinterpretation the author was simply saying: The return of Jesus and glorification of his chosen ones will happen before those then alive died of old age. He was of course wrong. And Christian apologists have since sought ways to reinterpret those simple words: Truly I tell you THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

    Edited by - peacefulpete on 8 February 2003 14:18:57

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  • garybuss
    garybuss

    So . . . "THIS" . . . means . . . "THAT"? . . . . huh?

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I'm not sure if my rewording helps but I tried. Or were you just being sarcastic?

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Gary, I believe he was saying that that that meant this.

    AlanF

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    AlanF..give me your input. Or was my wording that tangled? I tried but it is a large topic and I sought to be brief.

  • Gizmo
    Gizmo

    Yes I agree that he meant that meant this, however the GB believe that this means that or at least, contemperaneously that.

    Go figure

  • Gizmo
    Gizmo

    Anyway here's one of the articles refered to for your perusal and debate. Enjoy

    *** w95 11/1 16-21 A Time to Keep Awake ***

    A Time to Keep Awake

    In all the nations the good news has to be preached first. . . . But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.MARK , 13 .

    ENDURE we mustamid a faithless and twisted generation! Since 1914 a generation of people has become corrupt, just as in Jesus day. And today the corruption is on a worldwide scale. In these last days, the critical times hard to deal with described by the apostle Paul are afflicting mankind. Wicked men and impostors continue to advance from bad to worse. Clearly, the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one, Satan the Devil, who is now making his final effort to ruin the earth. But take courage! There is an oncoming great tribulation that will bring permanent relief to all who love righteousness.2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13; 1 John ; Revelation .

    2 Happily, Jehovah has now enthroned the Lord Jesus Christ in the heavens, preparatory to removing mankinds oppressive enemies. (Revelation 11:15) As at Messiahs first advent, so in this century a remarkable prophecy penned by Daniel has been fulfilled. At Daniel 4:16, 17, 32, we are told of the suspending of rightful kingship over the earth for a period of seven times. In their major fulfillment, these seven times amount to seven Biblical years of 360 days each, or 2,520 years in all. They ran from 607 B.C.E., when began trampling underfoot the , to 1914 C.E., the year of Jesus enthronement in heaven as mankinds rightful King. Then the appointed times of the nations ended. (Luke 21:24) But the nations have declined to yield to the incoming Messianic Kingdom.Psalm 2:1-6, 10-12; 110:1, 2.

    3 As the 70th week of years (29-36 C.E.) approached, and again as the year 1914 drew near, God-fearing people were expecting Messiahs arrival. And arrive he did! In each case, though, the manner of his appearing differed from the expectation. In each case too, after a comparatively brief time period, an evil generation finally suffers execution by divine decree.Matthew 24:34.

    4 In our preceding article, we noted how the wicked Jewish generation that called for the blood of Jesus met its end. What, then, of the ruinous generation of mankind that even now opposes or ignores him? When will judgment on this faithless generation be executed?

    Keep ontheWatch!

    5 After prophesying events leading up to a time of great tribulation, Jesus added: Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:3-36; Mark 13:3-32) We do not need to know the exact timing of events. Rather, our focus must be on being watchful, cultivating strong faith, and keeping busy in Jehovahs servicenot on calculating a date. Jesus concluded his great prophecy by saying: Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is. . . . Keep on the watch . . . What I say to you I say to all, Keep on the watch. (Mark 13:33-37) Danger lurks in the shadows of todays world. We must keep awake!Romans -13.

    6 Not only must we pay attention to the inspired prophecies concerning these final days of a wicked system but we must anchor our faith primarily on the precious sacrifice of Christ Jesus and Gods marvelous promises based thereon. (Hebrews -19; ; 1 Peter 1:18, 19; 2 Peter 1:16-19) Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovahs people have at times speculated about the time when the great tribulation would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we bring a heart of wisdom in, not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we count our days in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. (Psalm 90:12) Rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term generation as used by Jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.

    7 In line with the above, professor of history Robert Wohl wrote in his book TheGenerationof1914:A historical generation is not defined by its chronological limits . . . It is not a zone of dates. But he pointed out that World War I created an overwhelming sense of rupture with the past, and he added: Those who lived through the war could never rid themselves of the belief that one world had ended and another begun in August 1914. How true that is! It focuses on the crux of the matter. This generation of mankind since 1914 has experienced appalling changes. It has seen the earth drenched with the blood of millions. Warfare, genocide, terrorism, crime, and lawlessness have erupted worldwide. Famine, disease, and immorality have stalked our globe. Jesus prophesied: You also, when you [his disciples] see these things occurring, know that the is near. Truly I say to you, This generation will by no means pass away until all things occur.Luke 21:31, 32.

    8 Yes, the complete triumph of the Messianic Kingdom is at hand! Is anything to be gained, then, by looking for dates or by speculating about the literal lifetime of a generation? Far from it! Habakkuk 2:3 clearly states: The vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late. Jehovahs day of accounting hastens ever closer.Jeremiah 25:31-33; Malachi 4:1.

    9 When Christs Kingdom rule began in 1914, Satan was hurled down to earth. This has meant woe for the earth . . . because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time. (Revelation 12:12) That time is short, indeed, compared with the thousands of years of Satans rulership. The Kingdom is at hand, and so is Jehovahs day and hour for executing judgment on this wicked generation!Proverbs ; , 25.

    The GenerationThatPassesAway

    10 Let us examine more closely Jesus statement at Matthew 24:34, 35: Truly I say to you that thisgeneration will by no means pass away until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. Jesus words that follow show that nobody knows that day and hour. Far more important, he shows that we must avoid the snares surrounding us in thisgeneration. Thus Jesus adds: For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. (Matthew 24:36-39) Jesus here compared the generation of his day to that of Noahs day.Genesis 6:5, 9; footnote.

    11 This was not the first time that the apostles heard Jesus make this comparison of generations, for some days earlier he had stated concerning himself: The Son of man . . . must undergo many sufferings and be rejectedbythisgeneration. Moreover, justasitoccurredinthedaysofNoah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man. (Luke 17:24-26) Thus, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 17 make the same comparison. In Noahs day all flesh [that] had ruined its way on the earth and that was destroyed at the Flood was thisgeneration. In Jesus day the apostate Jewish people that were rejecting Jesus was thisgeneration.Genesis 6:11, 12; 7:1.

    12 Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus prophecy today, this generation apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christs presence but fail to mend their ways. In contrast, we as Jesus disciples refuse to be molded by the life-style of this generation. Though in the world, we must be no part of it, for the appointed time is near. (Revelation 1:3; John 17:16) The apostle Paul admonishes us: Keep doing all things free from murmurings and arguments, that you may come to be blameless and innocent, children of God without a blemish in among a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you are shining as illuminators in the world. Philippians 2:14, 15; Colossians 3:5-10; 1 John 2:15-17.

    13 Our shining as illuminators includes not only displaying a clean Christian personality but, above all, fulfilling Jesus prophetic commission: This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14) No human can say when that end will be, but we know that the end of this generation of wicked people will come once the witness has been given to Gods satisfaction to the most distant part of the earth.Acts 1:8.

    That DayandHour

    14 When the global witness has been accomplished to the extent Jehovah purposes, it will be his day and hour to dispose of this worlds system. We do not need to know the date in advance. Thus, following Jesus example, the apostle Paul admonished: Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovahs day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security! then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. Note Pauls focus: Itiswhentheyaresaying. Yes, when there is talk of peace and security, when it is least expected, Gods judgment will suddenly be executed. How appropriate is Pauls advice: So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses!1 Thessalonians 5:1-3, 6; see also verses 1Th 7-11; Acts 1:7.

    15 Does our more precise viewpoint on this generation mean that Armageddon is further away than we had thought? Not at all! Though we at no time have known the day and hour, Jehovah God has always known it, and he does not change. (Malachi 3:6) Obviously, the world is sinking further and further toward terminal ruination. The need to keep awake is more critical than it has ever been. Jehovah has revealed to us the things that must shortly take place, and we should respond with an absorbing sense of urgency.Revelation 1:1; ; , 16.

    16 As the time approaches, keep awake, for Jehovah is about to bring calamity on all of Satans system! (Jeremiah 25:29-31) Jehovah says: I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah. (Ezekiel 38:23) That decisive day of Jehovah draws near!Joel 1:15; 2:1, 2; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 2:2, 3.

    Righteous NewHeavensandaNewEarth

    17 Concerning all these things that must occur Jesus said: Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away. (Matthew 24:34, 35) Jesus likely had in mind the heaven and earththe rulers and the ruledof this generation. The apostle Peter used similar words in referring to the heavens and the earth that are now, which are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men. He next describes how Jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the [governmental] heavens will pass away together with a corrupt human society, or earth, and its sinful works. The apostle then exhorts us to holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, [as we are] awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens being on fire will be dissolved and the elements being intensely hot will melt! What follows? Peter turns our attention to new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to dwell.2 Peter 3:7, 10-13.

    18 Those new heavens, the Kingdom rule by Christ Jesus and his associate kings, will shower blessings on the righteous new earth society of mankind. Are you a prospective member of that society? If so, you have reason to exult over the grand future in store!Isaiah 65:17-19; Revelation 21:1-5.

    19 Yes, a righteous generation of mankind is even now being gathered. Today the anointed faithful and discreet slave is providing divine education in line with the words of Psalm 78:1, 4: Do give ear, O my people, to my law; incline your ear to the sayings of my mouth . . . , relating them even to the generation to come, the praises of Jehovah and his strength and his wonderful things that he has done. (Matthew 24:45-47) On April 14 of this year, in more than 75,500 congregations and in some 230 lands, over 12,000,000 persons around the earth attended the Memorial of Christs death. Were you among them? May you rest your faith on Christ Jesus and call on the name of Jehovah for salvation.Romans 10:10-13.

    20 The time left is reduced, said the apostle Paul. It is time, therefore, to keep ever awake and busy in Jehovahs work, as we endure trials and hatreds imposed by a wicked generation of mankind. (1 Corinthians 7:29; Matthew ; 24:13, 14) Let us keep on the watch, observing all the things foretold in the Bible to come upon this generation. (Luke 21:31-33) By escaping these things and by standing with divine approval before the Son of man, we may at last attain to the prize of everlasting life.

    [Footnotes]

    For detailed information on the seven times, see pages 127-39, 186-9 of the book LetYourKingdomCome, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

    See Volume 1, page 918, of InsightontheScriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

    See also pages 152-6 and 180-1 of OurIncomingWorldGovernmentGodsKingdom, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.

    Questions inReview:

    Having noted the fulfillment of Daniel 4:32, how should we now keep on the watch?

    How do the Gospels of Matthew and Luke identify this generation?

    As we await that day and hour, what do we observe, and how should we respond?

    What should the prospect of righteous new heavens and a new earth encourage us to do?

    [Study Questions]

    1. Why should we endure and take courage?

    2. How was prophecy fulfilled in 1914?

    3, 4. (a) What comparison may be made of first-century events to those in our time? (b) What pertinent questions may be asked?

    5. (a) For what good reason do we not need to know the time of Jehovahs day and hour? (b) According to Mark, with what sound counsel did Jesus conclude his prophecy?

    6. (a) On what should our faith be anchored? (b) How may we count our days? (c) What does Jesus basically mean by generation?

    7. What does a history professor write about the generation of 1914, and how does this tie in with Jesus prophecy?

    8. How do Jehovahs prophets stress the need to keep awake?

    9. What developments since 1914 show that the time is short?

    10. How is this generation like that of Noahs day?

    11. What comparison of generations did Jesus make, as reported by Matthew and Luke?

    12, 13. (a) What today is this generation that must pass away? (b) How are Jehovahs people now coping with this crooked and twisted generation?

    14. What admonition did both Jesus and Paul give as to the times and the seasons, and how should we react?

    15, 16. (a) Why should we not think that Armageddon is further away than we may have believed? (b) How must Jehovahs sovereignty be magnified in the near future?

    17, 18. (a) According to Jesus and Peter, how does this generation pass away? (b) Why should we keep on the watch as to conduct and deeds of godly devotion?

    19. What great privilege may we now enjoy?

    20. Since the time left is reduced, how must we keep awake, and with what prospect in view?

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Hi peacefulpete,

    I think your present wording is quite clear.

    I was just kidding with Gary.

    AlanF

  • anti-absolutism
    anti-absolutism

    Near as I can see it, the damn jerks in the Governing Body have twisted the shit around and fooled their followers so bad that "the great tribulation will not come until all these things occur" stuff now has No Gord-damn time frame on it at all. Now all the dubs can logically, yes I said logically in a brainwashing sort of way, reason that, 'of course that makes sense'.. " why would there be a great tribulation until all the EVIL people of the world have completely proven to God that they are absolutely DESERVING of it (destruction)?" And oh yeah, while we are waiting this indefinitely long period of time we better try to save the good ones...... who are only those that are exactly like us and FOLLOWERS of us.........AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!

    Can you tell I'm a little frustrated? When this generation thing was changed I ACTUALLY thought I could get my family to see a teensy weensy bit of light. I guess I might be a little naive, because instead they dug their heels in even deeper. (My entire immediate family shuns me completely and most of all my other relatives as well.)

    Oh well, I do have a few very good friends........ still probably nothing more frustrating than to have a bunch of good hearted people ruining peoples' lives unwittingly.

    Brad

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